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Post by rick on Oct 1, 2009 14:26:06 GMT -4
With the photos from low lunar orbit shownig the landing sites, as well as the very well-done MythBuster's Episode, isn't it "Case Closed"?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Oct 1, 2009 14:32:11 GMT -4
It should be, but some hoax believers have too much invested in the idea that the moon landings were faked that they just can't let it go now. If Jarrah White, for example, admitted the moon landings were real he'd basically be admitting that all the time he spent making hoax videos was wasted foolishly.
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Post by fiveonit on Oct 1, 2009 14:40:58 GMT -4
The hoax theory will never go away. Even if NASA sent Jarrah and Bart Sibrel to the moon and let them both see the landing sites for themselves, they may come back to Earth as believers. I'm sure that the rest of the hoax-tard crowd would say. "They've been paid off! They were drugged! They were both killed and replaced with Cyborgs created in a Masonic NASA lab!"
I can hear it already!
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Post by toseek on Oct 1, 2009 17:21:01 GMT -4
With the photos from low lunar orbit shownig the landing sites, as well as the very well-done MythBuster's Episode, isn't it "Case Closed"? You've got to think as deviously as the conspiracists: so far as they're concerned, the LRO photos could have been easily doctored with Photoshop and are therefore no evidence at all in favor of the landings. |
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Post by Mr Gorsky on Oct 2, 2009 3:24:09 GMT -4
You've got to think as deviously as the conspiracists: so far as they're concerned, the LRO photos could have been easily doctored with Photoshop and are therefore no evidence at all in favor of the landings. Which is exactly what Jarrah White argues in one of his recent videos I believe. |
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Post by tedward on Oct 2, 2009 3:38:45 GMT -4
I think there are a few tough nuts to crack to get the info across. Some that are more anon on the web maybe. Mr White is known through videos and it will be a very long ladder that gets him out of the hole he has dug, much back patting from the followers push him deeper. Some of the deniers could vanish and reappear in new guise accepting it and others, whilst still anonymous, still will not accept it as its now dogma and rote. Not forgetting the ones that think the evil gubmint wot did it. Of course there will also be some who say "hands up. I was wrong". Credit to those individuals.
To be honest I just accepted it as I grew up through the years then came across the hoax theories in more recent times. Maybe people just accept that it was a fake without enquiring? I did enquire though.
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Post by echnaton on Oct 2, 2009 9:43:54 GMT -4
I'd say there was never an open case to close. Hoax proponents aren't rational and aren't interested in the truth. They are a subset in the range of human behavior that is convinced without cause or evidence that someone is lying to them. This type of person will latch onto anything available in an effort to demonstrate there inner conviction. There is nothing we or anyone can do to convince them.
We counter hoax proponents to reduce the negative effects they can have on others who might be persuaded by their passion. There are also the occasional hoax believers who are interested in truth and have turned around to recognize they were hood winked. These people are our target audience.
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Post by thetart on Oct 2, 2009 11:57:50 GMT -4
On the other hand HBs are great fodder for trolling.
I liked the guy who said Apollo never happened but while they were on the moon they saw alien spaceships. I still think he hasn't quite understood the paradox yet.
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Post by gillianren on Oct 2, 2009 12:51:27 GMT -4
I would like to emphasize again that some people just don't know any better. They've heard hoax arguments, and they sound compelling, but that's because they don't know anything about the science--or history, it appears. I never have understood how anyone who lived through the Cold War could fail to think about the Soviet Union's reaction to a hoax.
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Post by laurel on Oct 2, 2009 13:24:37 GMT -4
On the other hand HBs are great fodder for trolling. I liked the guy who said Apollo never happened but while they were on the moon they saw alien spaceships. I still think he hasn't quite understood the paradox yet. There's more than one guy who's made those contradictory claims. Cosmic Dave Cosnette and John Lear have both made them. |
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Post by james on Oct 2, 2009 17:33:10 GMT -4
On the other hand HBs are great fodder for trolling. I liked the guy who said Apollo never happened but while they were on the moon they saw alien spaceships. I still think he hasn't quite understood the paradox yet. There's more than one guy who's made those contradictory claims. Cosmic Dave Cosnette and John Lear have both made them. It's been a while since I've "debated" with John Lear, but I believe they think that Apollo happened, but that there is more to the story than what was told. Either that or it was faked, but that the US has secret anti-grav ships that go to the Moon to mine it or something equally ridiculous. |
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Post by laurel on Oct 2, 2009 18:03:14 GMT -4
It's been a while since I've "debated" with John Lear, but I believe they think that Apollo happened, but that there is more to the story than what was told. Either that or it was faked, but that the US has secret anti-grav ships that go to the Moon to mine it or something equally ridiculous. When Lear was on this board, he said, "The Apollo Mission to the moon was one of the biggest hoaxes in history. It was planned with great care. Every possible leak was anticipated and covered. Even I was an Apollo Hugger until a few months ago when a friend sent me the videos of the faked NASA moon landings." Then he said the landings were hoaxed at Langley Research Center. apollohoax.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theories&thread=2112&page=11However, on another site, he says, "I once talked to a former NASA psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon (emphasis mine) to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of huge 'constructs'." www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/02files/Case_for_Civilization_on_the_Moon.htmlTo me this is a major contradiction. |
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Post by rick on Oct 2, 2009 21:39:41 GMT -4
Jarrah White is new to me. Does he predate or postdate Bart?
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Post by gillianren on Oct 2, 2009 22:30:08 GMT -4
Post. He's active on YouTube, which is why I know essentially nothing of his arguments. Except what comes up here, and I have to tell you, that's all I need to know.
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Post by gwiz on Oct 3, 2009 4:26:00 GMT -4
If you want to observe him in action, in recent months he has engaged Jay on this thread at UM. |
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