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Post by laurel on Mar 1, 2010 12:56:28 GMT -4
I find the character limit too restrictive. My YouTube comments are mostly of the "Great song, thanks for posting it" variety.
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Post by BertL on Mar 1, 2010 13:23:00 GMT -4
Yeah, the 500 character limit is a real YouTube killer, especially because explanations usually require more words than questions or snappy one liners.
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Post by dwight on Mar 1, 2010 13:25:32 GMT -4
In short, he's just a troll. Hence why I don't waste my time at YouTube. Unusable SNR. That is absolutely hilarious. "Unusable SNR" Perhaps DNR will help. You just need a good sample of the noise - and there's plenty of that on Youtube.
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Post by Data Cable on Mar 1, 2010 14:39:10 GMT -4
Do Not Resuscitate? Well, in certain instances... perhaps.
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Post by ka9q on Mar 1, 2010 19:57:41 GMT -4
I'm beginning to think he's not interested in any sort of discussion, but rather throws out any claim he can come up with, even if they are claims that have been debunked time and again. In short, he's just a troll. To people like him, and in fact to many HB's, I say this: I fully understand why you think NASA never went to the moon. After all, YOU obviously don't know how to go to the moon. And if NASA were composed of people like you, I'd agree - they wouldn't have a chance. Fortunately, NASA is not composed of people like you.
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Post by ka9q on Mar 1, 2010 20:02:28 GMT -4
There were movie cameras in the Mercury cockpits Right, that's my understanding too. And I keep trying to point out that movie cameras can't provide live TV feeds. Precisely. I try to explain that either his parents misremembered what they saw (though obviously they couldn't have seen anything from within Grissom's capsule during his flight since the film was lost.) But you know how much the average HBer loves the word "lie". Every misstatement of fact, every misunderstanding, every difference of opinion, every honest mistake -- they're all deliberate lies. There's nothing between that and (their) truth. Does anybody know if there were cockpit cameras in Gemini?
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Post by dwight on Mar 2, 2010 15:56:13 GMT -4
There was only TV on Faith 7 and it was not on for the launch. Gemini had no TV at all. Ever. Straydog's parents did not ever see a live TV feed of Grissom's flight from within the capsule. The closest the TV networks got were simulations clearly marked as such. Straydog is well known for having a problem with telling the truth, and more importantly inventing where he thinks necessary.
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Post by ka9q on Mar 2, 2010 19:50:06 GMT -4
Thanks Dwight, that confirms my understanding. Early in our "discussion" I made a hasty and overly broad statement that there was no TV onboard Mercury. When I learned about the experimental camera on Faith 7 I issued a retraction. Even though it wasn't relevant to the question of TV cameras during launch I knew he'd jump on it. I do try to be rigorous with my facts, but it's hard when the HBs are so loose with theirs.
Besides his parents' hearsay, straydog found one sentence in an encyclopedia that said the Mercury capsules had TV cameras. This is clearly incorrect given all the evidence to the contrary, but to him it's a complete and irrefutable vindication. It certainly demonstrates the HBer's selectivity with reference materials.
I don't know why I argue with the guy; I just get angry. We went off on this tangent about TV on Mercury after he repeated the loathesome accusation that the Apollo 1 astronauts were murdered to shut up Gus Grissom. He then said -- though I don't understand its relevance to the Apollo 1 claim -- that Grissom "completely panicked" during his MR-04 flight, and his parents had seen him do that on live TV. When I pointed out the complete lack of any record of such TV, he attributed it to NASA's near-omnipotence in making all sorts of evidence go away! Never mind that during the press conference that followed, Grissom explicitly said there was no TV on board, only film. Apparently NASA modified that historical record also.
I believe the hoax crowd cooked up the Apollo 1 murder claim precisely because it was the single most offensive accusation they could think of. They knew it would make their opponents too angry to even think straight.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 2, 2010 23:34:39 GMT -4
The simple response to the Apollo 1 claim is to ask why NASA would murder an astronaunt for doing exactly what they had hired him to do, to find out all the faults and issues with the Apollo Block 1 CM and Simulator so that it could be fixed and made workable.
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Post by ka9q on Mar 3, 2010 2:59:10 GMT -4
The simple response to the Apollo 1 claim is to ask why NASA would murder an astronaunt for doing exactly what they had hired him to do, Because, they insist, that Gus Grissom was going to "blow the whistle" on seeing stars from space...oops, I mean, on the whole Apollo "hoax". Yeah, that's it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 3, 2010 3:47:14 GMT -4
The simple response to the Apollo 1 claim is to ask why NASA would murder an astronaunt for doing exactly what they had hired him to do, Because, they insist, that Gus Grissom was going to "blow the whistle" on seeing stars from space...oops, I mean, on the whole Apollo "hoax". Yeah, that's it. which again requires them to explain why NASA would put him in charge of nitpicking the main hardware of the project if it was going to be hoaxed.
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Post by ineluki on Mar 3, 2010 6:17:14 GMT -4
which again requires them to explain why NASA would put him in charge of nitpicking the main hardware of the project if it was going to be hoaxed. It's the government, it's at least as stupid as it is evil :-) That is also the reason why they killed him by destroying an expensive piece of equipment, instead of arranging a simple "accident", like they did with Thomas Baron (at least in the deluded mind of the Hoaxers).
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Post by dwight on Mar 3, 2010 6:43:47 GMT -4
If Straydog's parents saw a pancking Grissom, then the only place I know of which vaguely depics that is the film "The Right Stuff". I find the steadfast clinging to this Mercury TV thing highlights precisely why I don't often venture nor engage in that kind of wilfull ignorance. Why support a position that is soooooo easily debunked?
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Post by echnaton on Mar 3, 2010 10:34:15 GMT -4
The more I learn about Grissom, the more I like him. He might not have been to fun to work with if you met with his displeasure, but he was willing to step on any toes to get the job done.
This brings up a question in my mind. What kind of astronauts would NASA have chosen instead if they were planning a hoax. One that would not have been able to identify the problems. Probably someone like Jack Schmidt, who was a geologist and notably more focused on the science that the hardware. The problem of course is that hiring an astronaut like Schmidt in the early days would have been recognized as a bad choice form the day they started hiring.
So again we are left with NASA putting their most outspoken and hard-nosed engineer astronaut in place to critique the block one CSM. Not a good strategy for a hoax.
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Post by chew on Mar 3, 2010 10:45:15 GMT -4
If Grissom's Mercury capsule had live camera feed and he did panic, as straydog's parents alleged, he most likely would not have remained in the astronaut corps.
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