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Post by lionking on Mar 12, 2010 4:38:09 GMT -4
www.stl-tsl.org/x/file/TheRegistry/Library/presidents_reports/Annual_report_March_2010_EN.pdfThe tribuna lset for the assassinated in Lebanon since the prime minister Hariri's explosion has delivered a report that was considered to be very important and that it reached a point where it can state the perpetrators, althaugh it still needs work.. I read an interview today with the former justice minister and he says that this year will be tehe year of naming the perpetrators. he says that the TELECOMMUNICATION NETWORK and the persons involved in it are identified according to his radings in threport... now what is the story of this telecommunication networks that is frightening us: the German newspaper Der Spiegel has written last year a report that did an atomic bomb like effect.. it says it could get information from sources from sources close to the court that a telecommunication network has been idetified from HIZBOLLAH members and it mentioned details and even named people ..you can read i here: www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,626412,00.html Hizbollah stated couple of days ago in a general manner that no hizbollah member is going to be persecuted... that led to numerous responses and fueled more doubts.. Now I am not sayign that HA has did it. We as March 14 decided to wait for the tribunal and we will accept everything that will come out of it, but what if...? HA did May 7,2008 attacks because their telecommunication networks was decided to be uprooted by the government.. what would they do if the tribunal accused them? a civil war will erupt.. those of Hariri will not remain silent if HA was accused and doesn't want to hand in the perpetrators, or if any of the important figures are invloved and the judiciary doesn't want to hand him in. The report warns that if the Lebanese judiciary will not hand in the ones named by the tribunal, the tribunal would complain to the UN... The clock is tickling, and as much as we are waiting for the truth, and has been doing so since years, we are frightened that important people are involved. as no one would hand in his leader, and lebanese institutions are too weak to do so, and any accusation from the tribunal against HA will be considered as an Israeli attack and those supporting it as Israelis.. let us wait and see. It is good that we are going to finish our house that we ar building in the village soon.. we will have a place to go to if anything happened in Beirut
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Post by lionking on Mar 15, 2010 5:13:17 GMT -4
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Post by lionking on Jul 17, 2010 5:03:55 GMT -4
as the tribunal's decision gets closer and closer, many new events that threaten to reshuffle the cards are emerging. The biggest Israeli espionage and penetration to the Lebanese telecom network has been uncovered. The information that we are getting from the newspapers are shocking if they are true: the spy has been since the early 1990's, he can call from closed ppl's cellphones without their knowledge, and he can stop the network for a few minutes. If you have been following up on the investigations of the murder of Hariri and the rest of politicians, the investigations we mostly built on phone calls. The Der Spiegel newspaper article that created political turmoil in Lebanon spoke about the tribunal unovering phone calls made by Hizbollah. Later, the tribunal indeed called some people from or close to hizbollah for interrogations. Everyone is very afraid here.
Nasralla yesterday said that there is an Israeli pan that they are waiting for in the coming months and is called the tribuna;'s decision. Nasrallah has previously threatened that anyone who says that HA is behind the crime will be treated as an Isreali - with all what this entails. I am really afraid that the tribunal will accuse Hizbollah - then anotehr 7 May and internal strife is waiting for us. I am more frightened now that it was Israel who kileld Hariri- then we as March 14 forces are in deep..deep..deep trouble. We have been saying for years that it is Syria who killed its enemies in Lebanon..if it turned out that it is Israel to create tensions between Syria and Lebanon and to surround HA.. what would we have to say then? We have been receiving calls in the July war from Israel sayign they will give us money if we told them info about their soldiers kidnapped. Since then everyone noticed that our telecom network is penetrated, but it was until this month that the spy was uncovered, and it turned out there is anotehr one who is said to eb more dangerous.
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Post by archer17 on Jul 17, 2010 12:49:03 GMT -4
It seems obvious to me that Hizbollah is running the show, albeit behind the scenes. When the official Lebanese authorities even try to assert authority and Hizbollah disagrees we see what happens. I'm sure if there was any Hizbollah complicity in Harriri's assassination and this comes out Hizbollah will attempt to defect blame onto the common enemy - Israel.
I'm not surprised to read about potential Israeli intelligence ops regarding the telecommunications network. That network is Hizbollah's "baby" and played a significant part in their stalemate with Israeli in the 2006 summer war.
I seriously doubt Israel had a hand in the Harriri assination. Relations between Harriri and the Syrians were already strained as Harriri was perceived a threat by Damascus for continued Syrian occupation. Hizbollah might have played a supporting role or at least gave tacit approval for Harriri's assination - I'm not sure we'll ever know the scope of their true involvement - but I do agree with you that if Hizbollah is ever fingered they will respond forcefully and blood will be spilled.
I don't see Lebanon rising to her full potential as long as her people live in fear, a fear that wouldn't be there without Hizbollah being the true power in your country. I think you people know what ultimately needs to be done...
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Post by lionking on Jul 17, 2010 12:52:34 GMT -4
HA has its own telecommunication network separate from the government's. What needs to be done ultimately? another civil war? of course not.. the M14 forces are now calling for HA weapons to be kept with them but be under government's control ebcasue regarding the American new oppenness on Syria and regional equation they think this is the best that can be done now.
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Post by lionking on Jul 17, 2010 13:04:54 GMT -4
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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 3:17:52 GMT -4
english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/08/2010841315216780.htmlthe wacko arrested had been running for the elections last year. Had he succeeded we would have had an MP WHO IS AN iSRAELI AGENT. This brings me back to Kohen, the famous Israeli spy minister in Syria who was uncovered. Not only this traitor [Kram] is one of the officials in a famous Lebanese political party, but he has been working for Israel since the nineties. The fall of the spies uncovered a bitter truth: Israel is in our airport, our telecomm network, our army, our security forces, and our politcians. That wacko said at one point that the biggest fight we have is against collaborators who don't fear the state because of lack of firmness in the judiciary rules against them, and blabla of supporting the resistence .. the head of the Free Patriotic Movement is shocked and so is everyone. The newspapers say that he confessedto talking with the Israelis and that the information given to them is dangerous. The security is assessing thedamage done by him.. I think listening to phone calls is the best method to uncover espionage..
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Post by archer17 on Aug 5, 2010 11:20:10 GMT -4
I think the key here is this line (bolding mine): Considering the fact that Hezbollah is Israel's nearby unpredictable adversary, 'nuff said.
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Post by Jason on Aug 5, 2010 11:35:17 GMT -4
So even if someone is merely suspected of being an Israeli spy he becomes a "wacko" and a traitor to your mind, lionking? Has he had a trial yet?
Is it possible that those in power in Lebanon are using the "Israeli spy" excuse to get rid of some of their political opponents?
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Post by archer17 on Aug 5, 2010 13:11:25 GMT -4
...Is it possible that those in power in Lebanon are using the "Israeli spy" excuse to get rid of some of their political opponents? Good point. Yes it is.
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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 13:57:39 GMT -4
I think the key here is this line (bolding mine): Considering the fact that Hezbollah is Israel's nearby unpredictable adversary, 'nuff said. So? it is permissible for hi mto collaborate and betray his country?
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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 14:02:13 GMT -4
So even if someone is merely suspected of being an Israeli spy he becomes a "wacko" and a traitor to your mind, lionking? Has he had a trial yet? Is it possible that those in power in Lebanon are using the "Israeli spy" excuse to get rid of some of their political opponents? he is not suspected .. he confessed within 15 minutes after being confronted with proof. The security forces know tha tif they don't have any proof he would be freein two days, so they did a very good job of documenting everything and confronting him with solid evidence after which he confessed. and YES, HE IS A WACKO AND ANOTEHR PATHETIC SPY WHO CHOSE TO SELL HIS COUNTRY TO ITS ENEMIES AND DESERVES TO BE HANGED. What is so sad and funny at the same time is that he was running for elections and said that the problem of this country is the spies who are very spread and don't feel afraid from the government becasue the judiciary laws are so linient with and this is because the judiciary verdicts are very lenient with them. He and every traitor, especially the one of the airport who had been giving the archives since the 80's and those of the telecomm network who allowed for spying deserve maximal verdicts like any traitor who sells his country.
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Post by lionking on Aug 5, 2010 14:04:35 GMT -4
by the way, you have no idea how much the telecomm spy network casted doubt on the tribunal 's work and thwarted the process of truth. Nasrall day and night is saying that Israel played with the phone calls to make it seem that HA did phone calls for the Hariri muder. Now the tribuna lsent investigators into this issue to see if this is true or not. It has caused nasrallah to open his mouth wide about the tribunal being untrue and an american-Israeli one , which is not true.
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Post by archer17 on Aug 5, 2010 14:45:23 GMT -4
I think the key here is this line (bolding mine): Considering the fact that Hezbollah is Israel's nearby unpredictable adversary, 'nuff said. So? it is permissible for hi mto collaborate and betray his country? Of course not. That wasn't my point.
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Post by archer17 on Aug 5, 2010 14:57:15 GMT -4
by the way, you have no idea how much the telecomm spy network casted doubt on the tribunal 's work and thwarted the process of truth. Nasrall day and night is saying that Israel played with the phone calls to make it seem that HA did phone calls for the Hariri muder. Now the tribuna lsent investigators into this issue to see if this is true or not. It has caused nasrallah to open his mouth wide about the tribunal being untrue and an american-Israeli one , which is not true. Kinda makes one wonder about the timing of this whole telecomm thing...
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