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Post by seemoe on Jul 27, 2010 8:39:23 GMT -4
This latest effort from Jarrah has given me serious concerns about his mental health. Not that I care, but it's quite sad to watch now
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Post by tedward on Jul 27, 2010 8:45:46 GMT -4
Yes, does seem a minor point but if you get the smaller issues wrong what else? We already know but does he. If I were so inclined I would download the vids as soon as they are posted for posterity. Mainly so as there is a first edition should a later come out or disappear. But I also have a life.
Go on JW, I know you look in, go and publish somewhere reputable and address the flak you will receive.
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Post by grashtel on Jul 27, 2010 10:31:54 GMT -4
An even better question, I think, is how a video on the topic of the audio level in someone else's video is even conceivably relevant to the "question" of a supposed Apollo hoax. I mean, isn't this getting pretty far off on a tangent? The volume of the Apollo astronauts voices didn't change no matter how far they were from the camera so it was obviously all a hoax (if you happen to either be Jarrah or haven't been taking your medication).
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Post by ka9q on Jul 27, 2010 11:55:02 GMT -4
The volume of the Apollo astronauts voices didn't change no matter how far they were from the camera so it was obviously all a hoax Good one!
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Post by capricorn1 on Jul 27, 2010 14:06:14 GMT -4
Yes, does seem a minor point but if you get the smaller issues wrong what else? We already know but does he. If I were so inclined I would download the vids as soon as they are posted for posterity. Mainly so as there is a first edition should a later come out or disappear. But I also have a life. Go on JW, I know you look in, go and publish somewhere reputable and address the flak you will receive. I wish I could understand him. On the face of it, he has certainly a flare for video making and investigative journalism. His subject matter is just completely wrong though. If only he would apply it to something more tangible, he could make a career for himself..... I am starting to suspect he is lining himself up for a book or film deal. Not another one with no scruples. Does he really think the whole thing was faked? I know I got taken in a bit by it, but it wasn't difficult to see why it was rubbish when I saw some counter argument.
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Post by fiveonit on Jul 27, 2010 14:55:05 GMT -4
He would first have to move out of his mother's basement and then get a passing grade in remedial science in order to get his GED.
And I did as well when I was younger. Although I never completely believed it was a hoax, I did think it may be possible. Once you get older and see how ludicrous the hoax arguments are, you need to make a decision to grow up and realize it's just a bunch numb-sculls that have an opinion on everything, yet experts in nothing! People fear what they don't understand, and that's about all Moon-Hoax theories have ever been about.
I really do believe that Jarrah already realizes that it never was a hoax. He may have believed it when he started all of this, but with all the rebuttals he has received, the very large Blooper mistakes on his part, and the utter "Spankings" that he has gotten from people like Jay, I fail to see how he can still have any faith in it.
Right now he's probably at a point where he realizes that he's always been wrong but he's dug himself so far into a hole, there's no way out of it without admitting to the world what an complete fool he has been.
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Post by scooter on Jul 27, 2010 15:23:28 GMT -4
There's no $$ in being a "proagandist". I have seen some chatter over in some YT comments encouraging him to do videos, films etc. Wouldn't surprise me at all if that's the direction he takes. With the deaths of his "mentors", and BS's downfall of sorts, the field is wide open for one like him. Terrific, lets just make more ignorant drones...... speaking of, I wonder what his educational background is? (eta: philwebb59 is doing an excellent series that politely nukes Jarrah's arguments...it came up when I searched youTube for "Moonfaker"... )
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Post by ka9q on Jul 27, 2010 17:28:59 GMT -4
Right now he's probably at a point where he realizes that he's always been wrong but he's dug himself so far into a hole, there's no way out of it without admitting to the world what an complete fool he has been. This is an extremely common phenomenon, and it's not limited to conspiracy theories. Bob Park, a physics prof at the University of Maryland who writes a regular skeptical column called What's New, wrote a fun book titled Voodoo Science: The Road From Foolishness to Fraud about fraud and crackpottery in science and inventing. He points out that it's an extremely common pattern for a crackpot to start by sincerely believing that he's found something new, such as a "free energy" device. This is usually the result of an inadequate educational background, e.g., not understanding basic principles like the laws of thermodynamics. The individual goes public and/or accrues a group of financial backers that thrust him from obscurity into a position of wealth and admiration he never thought he'd find himself in. He's hooked. But eventually he realizes, as he tries to actually make his device work, that he was wrong - his device cannot ever work. By this point he has most likely already crossed the line - he has faked his first demo. He may have rationalized it by telling himself that it's just to keep his investors off his back for a little while until he gets it working for real. But of course he never does, because it violates some basic physical principle like the conservation of energy. So on it goes. The lie gets bigger and bigger, and with it the excuses. Some would-be inventors can keep the scam going for many years, with multiple rounds of investors.
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Post by ka9q on Jul 27, 2010 17:45:02 GMT -4
There's no $$ in being a "proagandist". To hear the CTs tell it, we're all being handsomely paid by NASA to patrol the interwebs and rebut anything that contradicts the Official NASA Line. They certainly think of themselves as important and worthy of such official attention, don't they? They seem unable to believe that we're just ordinary individuals with a personal interest in the space program. We're profoundly offended by all the utter nonsense about an Apollo "hoax" and concerned about what it's doing to public discourse and understanding of science and technology in general. Yes, some of us are scientists, engineers or technicians, though only some actually work in the aerospace industry, and fewer still (any?) are on the NASA payroll. The CTs act as if such technical backgrounds should disqualify us when they actually mean we're more likely to know what we're talking about. This attitude says far more about the CTs than anyone else.
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Post by fiveonit on Jul 27, 2010 18:03:15 GMT -4
I have mentioned before on YouTube to others that may consider giving Jarrah the time of day, they should find it rather telling how he never lists his credentials. The closest I've ever seen him come to it was during his (extremely lopsided) debate with Jay on the IMDB forums where he posted a rather short comment, "I have some background in photography." Which more than likely means that his Uncle let Jarrah borrow a Nikon Cookpix for a weekend. I don't know his age but I really doubt Jarrah has any education past High School.
Yes he has! Phil should be commended for the amount of work he's put into those. How anyone can watch Jarrah's Videos and then watch Phil's and say they are both on par is beyond me!!
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Post by tedward on Jul 28, 2010 1:55:43 GMT -4
Ah, reading the comments here about Mr Webb, something I must look at it would appear, the reason for JW umbrage and misdirected and uneducated ridicule starts to become clear.
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Post by tedward on Jul 28, 2010 7:02:57 GMT -4
On the face of it, he has certainly a flare for video making and investigative journalism. I doubt it, this is serving his obsession. If he had a flare it would be a balanced approach, chatting to people on here and considering all the alternatives. The only thing that comes across from the videos is wanton abandonment of anything that detracts from his view. If he were into journalism then it would gutter press at best.
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Post by dwight on Jul 29, 2010 17:09:33 GMT -4
One ulterior motive I had for doing "Live TV" was to address the hoax claims without actually addressing them. I am somewhat comforted to know that my hard work is helping to set the record straight in the face of the wilfull ignorance displayed by many a HB.
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Post by Obviousman on Jul 30, 2010 1:11:14 GMT -4
I'm sorry that I can't express myself more eloquently, but the guy is a loon. I don't think he is particularly talented; the software makes it easy for him.
Ron Howard is talented.
John Hughes was talented.
Steven Spielberg is talented.
Quentin Tarantino is talented.
Billy Wilder was talented.
Jarrah White can use software.
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Post by Ginnie on Jul 30, 2010 14:44:57 GMT -4
I'm sorry that I can't express myself more eloquently, but the guy is a loon. I don't think he is particularly talented; the software makes it easy for him. Ron Howard is talented. John Hughes was talented. Steven Spielberg is talented. Quentin Tarantino is talented. Billy Wilder was talented. Jarrah White can use software. And in a ten minute YouTube video his opening and closing credits can easily run five minutes....
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