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Post by BertL on Aug 1, 2010 12:32:18 GMT -4
guy0burgess, I think Adam Savage simply doesn't feel like suing Jarrah White is worth the effort.
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Post by dwight on Aug 1, 2010 12:33:40 GMT -4
It is just a matter of time until he targets someone who does decide he is worth the effort...
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Post by guy0burgess on Aug 1, 2010 13:08:25 GMT -4
Who is this guy Jarrah White anyway? How did he find time to make hundreds of movies on YT?
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 1, 2010 14:03:37 GMT -4
Who is this guy Jarrah White anyway? How did he find time to make hundreds of movies on YT? We must be careful not to turn this thread into a 'Let's bash Jarrah.' So, given my efforts away from this forum to expose the less savoury aspects of his character and his treatment of others, I hope that this is balanced: A brief bio of Jarrah: He's from Sydney, Australia, and refers to himself as the 'Grandson of the Moon Hoax Conspiracy' theory. I don't know if the title is one he gave himself, or one which was bestowed upon him by others. He resides at a YouTube channel, WhiteJarrah. At the time of writing he has 403 videos. Not all of them deal with the hoax, some are Anime, some are Thomas the Tank Engine parodies, there are some other miscellaneous works such as tributes/birthday wishes. In fairness, the moon hoax does not entirely define his life, he has other interests beyond the hoax theory. He says he has a steady income, and I for one believe that he doesn't spend every waking hours making moon hoax videos. It has taken him 3-5 years to produce the 400 videos, and not all of them are involved. Some are quite short. So in the time scales, it seems a fair reflection to say he's got a life and other interests. He has some endearing attributes that suggest he has a degree of energy that is invested in other projects. Much like Kaysing, I think he has a moral compass with regard to those less fortunate in society. For example, he has used the aborignal flag in one video, so I think he has empathy for the aboriginal plight. I respect that stance, much like I respect Kaysing's stance for his work with veterans and the homeless. However, when it comes to Apollo, the bad science he pedals in his videos, and the way he describes what he calls his 'opponents', I have strong differences of opinion. Jarrah is certainly not evil personified. Compared with some of those that subscribe to his channel, he's actually quite pleasant. However, I'd say he needs to take a look at himself and at the impact that the emotional investment in the hoax is having on his life and that of others. He has a very unbalanced view toward those that defend Apollo, and seems unwilling to learn. Having said that, I've noticed some subtle changes in his understanding of solar flares following a 'debate at the IMDb. However, those changes usually come several months after an intellectual trouncing, and are usually introduced into his 'work' by stealth. As for suing him. I think people with a reasonable public profile (e.g. Plait and Savage) will dismiss him, and rightly so. Obscurity is the name of the game, and Jarrah should be left in obscurity, as that is what he richly deserves for the venom he has shown others when defending the hoax theory. That's not to say that the exposure of Jarrah should be ignored. I think by leaving it to mere mortals, and there are a few trying to ensure that his modus operandi is exposed, he does not gain attention from those in the public eye. That sort of limelight would be his nirvana.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 1, 2010 14:05:18 GMT -4
Law suits give status to the unnotable and are rarely more effective than ignoring them. It's better walk away and let the gnats swarm in obscurity.
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Post by Obviousman on Aug 2, 2010 2:38:12 GMT -4
As I have previously said: he's a lightweight, a wannabe. He gives idiots a bad name.
He deserves a good hard, stiff.... ignoring.
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Post by scooter on Aug 2, 2010 9:28:49 GMT -4
He certainly had his "James Bond" on, what with the pen camera and all. Probably had his bow tie on.
He's obsessed, and is looking hard to gain some noteriety and legitimacy. But he got neither. Just a "skeptic" with an undercase "s".
Dissed.... it's all somewhat disturbing.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 2, 2010 14:54:50 GMT -4
It does tend to make him a pathetic figure, and it's quite obvious from his response that he knows that.
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Post by Kiwi on Aug 3, 2010 6:02:46 GMT -4
...the bad science he pedals in his videos... You've used a homonym there. In British English the word to use is "peddles," and as far as I can tell from Webster's, it's the same in American English.
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Post by lukepemberton on Aug 3, 2010 7:22:00 GMT -4
You've used a homonym there. In British English the word to use is "peddles," and as far as I can tell from Webster's, it's the same in American English. Wee learn something knew every day. I bough down before yew, and you're superior grammar. ;D
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Post by Jason on Aug 3, 2010 11:27:20 GMT -4
You've used a homonym there. In British English the word to use is "peddles," and as far as I can tell from Webster's, it's the same in American English. Wee learn something knew every day. I bough down before yew, and you're superior grammar. ;D Ow. That hurts to read.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 3, 2010 12:26:02 GMT -4
I think of young JW as the blossoming flower of the Apollo hoax movement, myself.
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Post by nedd on Aug 3, 2010 13:28:45 GMT -4
Aye, a thistle.
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Post by fiveonit on Aug 3, 2010 15:09:18 GMT -4
He deserves a good hard, stiff.... ignoring. I don't agree. I honestly believe that the main reason so many people believe the the landings were a hoax is because the world has "ignored" hoax pushers like Jarrah for far too long. I'll even go so far as to place most of the blame on NASA. I agree there may have been a time in the past were ignoring them may have been the best policy. I'm sure the thought was, "If we put forth an effort to debunk them, it will appear that their augments have legitimacy" Well, that may have been the case back then, but the dynamics of hoax theory in general has changed drastically over the past 40 years. The biggest problem with present day hoax theory (IMHO) is the internet. Any uneducated, unqualified pea-brain can put up a website or post videos, where it appears that their evidence is real. All they need to do is limit, (or outright block) any responses or rebuttals and their claims go unchallenged. Thus, it appears to many uneducated lay persons that there are very few, if any, counter points to the ridiculous claims being put forth. If I'm remembering the statistics correctly (I might be off a bit), when it's estimated that close to 25% of people 35 and younger believe that NASA never went, or at least lied to some extent, it's just sad. As long as qualified people that can counter hoax claims hold to the policy of "just ignore them", it's my belief that number is only going to grow.
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Post by laurel on Aug 3, 2010 15:41:48 GMT -4
I honestly believe that the main reason so many people believe the the landings were a hoax is because the world has "ignored" hoax pushers like Jarrah for far too long. I'll even go so far as to place most of the blame on NASA. But a lot of the hoax pushers are merely asking about things NASA already explained. "How did they transport the LRV?" "Who filmed Neil Armstrong coming down the ladder?" "How did they film the LM ascent if no one was left behind on the Moon to operate the camera?" They say how suspicious it is that these things have never been explained. The answers can be found in a few minutes by looking at the ALSJ or a related site. NASA put the information out there, it's not their fault if people are too lazy to look for it.
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