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Post by gillianren on Dec 23, 2011 18:00:52 GMT -4
What was funniest to me is that for Episode 1, Jar-Jar was actually my favorite character. Probably because he was rendered after the CGI environments, he was the only character who actually seemed to look around and otherwise take an interest in where he was. The webcomic Darths & Droids makes him the best character, too. He's played by an eight-year-old girl, which explains a lot.
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Post by echnaton on Dec 27, 2011 10:45:30 GMT -4
For me it takes one day per mission to prepare images exactly like the Apollo pictures ... I only need LM and space suites - and few puictures of CM and Earth... It's been a week since Tsialkovsky's boast. Not one photo has been offered in support of his abilities to prepare images that are identical to the Apollo photos. Maybe he is suddenly too busy exposing some other conspiracies to provide even this basic support for his claim of a moon hoax. But we await his return with evidence of what he says would be a simple task. So will Tsialkovsky simply move on to a less demanding community? Will he come back when his embarrassment at being caught in such an ill considered boast has subsided, in the vain hope that we will have forgotten? Or just perhaps, will he withdraw his claim? Only time will tell.
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Post by nomuse on Dec 27, 2011 19:03:01 GMT -4
To be nice, it would appear to him as an unwinnable challenge. No matter how good his produced images were, someone could still say "It just doesn't look right to me." Of course, this board is pretty good about not accepting unsubstantiated opinion, even from our own. We'd almost certainly be able to point at exactly what in his images we didn't agree with, and explain why in detail.
And on the gripping hand, there is a solution to that; present a folder of random images from the actual missions, with a couple of fakes inserted, and the challenge would be to spot the fakes.
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Post by raven on Dec 27, 2011 21:08:35 GMT -4
I suggested pretty much that when I challenged him to "put up or shut up," to use the colloquialism. By his claim, he has had abundant time to produce at least a missions worth of imagery, even given the time pressures of the holiday season. I fear Tsialkovsky has left the building.
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Post by coelacanth on Dec 28, 2011 1:03:25 GMT -4
To be nice, it would appear to him as an unwinnable challenge. No matter how good his produced images were, someone could still say "It just doesn't look right to me." Yes, I think this response seems often to be given for the genuine photos
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Post by chrlz on Dec 28, 2011 5:49:15 GMT -4
For me it takes one day per mission to prepare images exactly like the Apollo pictures ... I only need LM and space suites - and few puictures of CM and Earth... It's been a week since Tsialkovsky's boast. Not one photo has been offered in support of his abilities to prepare images that are identical to the Apollo photos. Maybe he is suddenly too busy exposing some other conspiracies to provide even this basic support for his claim of a moon hoax. But we await his return with evidence of what he says would be a simple task. So will Tsialkovsky simply move on to a less demanding community? Will he come back when his embarrassment at being caught in such an ill considered boast has subsided, in the vain hope that we will have forgotten? Or just perhaps, will he withdraw his claim? Only time will tell. Or is he, perhaps, waiting a month..? in the forlorn hope that maybe LO will forget the requirement here, that Tsialkovsky failed to meet. Tsialkovsky seems to be unable to admit errors, and also unable to withdraw or apologise for false accusations... I'm forming a picture... and no photoshop is required.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Dec 31, 2011 16:30:58 GMT -4
Hi - first post please be nice. Have a look at these two NASA Apollo 17 photos: AS17-134-20385HR AS17-134-20387HR Does this strike anyone else as weird? Either the earth is there or it's not... Any thoughts? It is quite obvious that the angle of the photography has been changed. The camera, and the astronaut with it mounted on his chest, has moved a bit.
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Post by chrlz on Jan 1, 2012 6:20:23 GMT -4
Hi - first post please be nice. Have a look at these two NASA Apollo 17 photos: AS17-134-20385HR AS17-134-20387HR Does this strike anyone else as weird? Either the earth is there or it's not... Any thoughts? It is quite obvious that the angle of the photography has been changed. The camera, and the astronaut with it mounted on his chest, has moved a bit. Correct. But Vincent, it's probably worth checking the date of the posts before replying. That one was well over a year back and was answered quite quickly and comprehensively, so it's probably not worth much effort / resurrection. Especially given that fflame never posted again... Which sorta reinforces my point on your other thread. Fflame obviously wasn't genuinely interested at all and didn't even bother acknowledging the effort that people made to explain what was a trivially simple situation - and quite politely. The fact that s/he didn't return make the words 'shallow' and 'ungrateful' spring to mind...
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Jan 1, 2012 20:21:28 GMT -4
It is quite obvious that the angle of the photography has been changed. The camera, and the astronaut with it mounted on his chest, has moved a bit. Correct. But Vincent, it's probably worth checking the date of the posts before replying. That one was well over a year back and was answered quite quickly and comprehensively, so it's probably not worth much effort / resurrection. True. Sometimes I do respond to posts too quickly to realize I am basically reposting. I shall try to keep it to a minimum.
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Post by nomuse on Jan 2, 2012 19:33:29 GMT -4
What was funniest to me is that for Episode 1, Jar-Jar was actually my favorite character. Probably because he was rendered after the CGI environments, he was the only character who actually seemed to look around and otherwise take an interest in where he was. The webcomic Darths & Droids makes him the best character, too. He's played by an eight-year-old girl, which explains a lot. I finally got around to reading "Darths and Droids" as the year was ending. "Jar Jar, you're a genius!"
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Post by zilch on Jan 3, 2012 9:28:07 GMT -4
Hey everyone. I must say that I am amazed that this is even an issue, and that you have the patience to deal with such lunatics. I guess someone has to do it....
cheers from Austria, where there is probably not one single Moon Landing Denier, zilch
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Post by echnaton on Jan 3, 2012 13:46:01 GMT -4
Welcome to the board, zilch. The frustration whit hoax believers is tempered by the learning about Apollo that occurs in refuting their spurious claims.
I spent two winters working for a hotel in Kitzbühel during the early eighties. What a beautiful country.
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Post by gillianren on Jan 3, 2012 15:27:09 GMT -4
Oh, I'm sure they exist. The thinking is too pervasive. They're just not as vocal. Yes, I believe the hoax movement is dying, but I also believe that some people will believe anything.
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Post by Vincent McConnell on Jan 3, 2012 22:20:24 GMT -4
Oh, I'm sure they exist. The thinking is too pervasive. They're just not as vocal. Yes, I believe the hoax movement is dying, but I also believe that some people will believe anything.The hoax movement is dying probably because it was big for a while and so people decided it was time to debunk it. The more and more anti-hoax people there are, the more hoaxers are converted.
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Post by gillianren on Jan 3, 2012 22:51:50 GMT -4
I don't think that's true, actually. I think it's more that most people never even consider that it might be faked, and when they hear a suggestion that it was, they can't even comprehend it. The hoax doesn't make sense, and I think most people know that instinctively.
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