Topher
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I'm in yo' planet, abducting yo' farmers.
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 5:08:14 GMT -4
Right now, I'm actually trying to find the "evidence" behind the claims for the existence of Reptilians for a series of videos I'm looking to do involving conspiracy theories.
I've been to the David Icke forum, and honestly, that's like a dead end. Everytime someone asks for evidence, they just say "you won't understand until you experience it". What the hell does this mean?
It's either that, or "Well, you won't have the evidence to disprove, so check mate".
Meh. Whatever. Does anyone here know of any resources I can look at so I can destroy the sh*t out of this theory on Youtube?
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Post by randombloke on Oct 20, 2010 6:23:15 GMT -4
"V - the miniseries" DIcke probably just watched that once and thought it was a documentary, so all you really need to do is find the "all persons and events..." disclaimer at the end and you're done..
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Post by echnaton on Oct 20, 2010 9:05:22 GMT -4
The theory can't be destroyed because it is not a theory in any recognizable meaning of the word. It is an unsubstantiated belief for which its proponents will not put forward any testable evidence that can be rebutted.
Unlike Apollo, where there is a documentation and a consistent narrative that can be examined in the light of charges of a government cover-up, the alien claim allows the assignment of whatever magical properties are needed to make the story of the moment seem the most plausible.
My opinion on the best way to address this is to employ logic and humor to use their own words against them. It won't change the proponents minds or make them go away, but it will help others to see them for what they are. The ridiculous deserve ridicule.
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Topher
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I'm in yo' planet, abducting yo' farmers.
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 16:14:22 GMT -4
I found this series of videos. The creator of the series cites this as a critical look at the Reptilian.
So far, he looks at history with extreme bias to his own cause, but it is a good place to start for me. I should have figured the Ancient Alien theory would be loosely connected to this.
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Topher
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I'm in yo' planet, abducting yo' farmers.
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Post by Topher on Oct 21, 2010 21:47:38 GMT -4
You learn the strangest things when looking up conspiracy theories. Did you know that, contrary to popular belief, that Dinosaurs were probably unable to vocalize? Well, probably not in the sense that they do in movies, with all the roaring and screeching.
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Post by tedward on Oct 25, 2010 5:14:52 GMT -4
You learn the strangest things when looking up conspiracy theories. Did you know that, contrary to popular belief, that Dinosaurs were probably unable to vocalize? Well, probably not in the sense that they do in movies, with all the roaring and screeching. Damn. BBC walking with dinosaurs just took a new twist in me noggin. T Rex chasing faster dino "aw, come on, I'm ungry...... gis a break, just let me have nibble on your tail..."
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Post by drewid on Oct 25, 2010 6:39:31 GMT -4
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Post by Data Cable on Oct 25, 2010 14:25:20 GMT -4
I knew those stumpy forelimbs had to be good for something.
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Post by ineluki on Oct 29, 2010 5:00:51 GMT -4
I've been to the David Icke forum, and honestly, that's like a dead end. Everytime someone asks for evidence, they just say "you won't understand until you experience it". What the hell does this mean? The "experience" are some sharp blows to the head and the resulting brain damage...
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Post by redneckr0nin on May 28, 2011 3:10:10 GMT -4
Reptilians mind control you to vote Democratic don't they? Since CNN is infested with them?
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Post by twik on May 31, 2011 14:11:25 GMT -4
I recall a study once that found that many people were more likely to view something as likely after they had seen some fictional presentation of the idea. It's as if some people, once they establish a "suspension of disbelief" can't reestablish their disbelief again.
So, I think that "V" is very likely to have predisposed some of the more gullible to view reptilians disguised as humans as being remotely possible, rather than a sci-fi metaphor for fascist takeover. I wonder how much of the current fascination with conspiracies in general is unintentionally fueled by the glut of conspiracy/supernatural shows and movies.
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Post by Data Cable on Jun 1, 2011 5:03:00 GMT -4
I tend to only half-jokingly blame The X-Files for a great deal of the present tinfoil millinery industry.
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Post by twik on Jun 1, 2011 13:01:04 GMT -4
I tend to only half-jokingly blame The X-Files for a great deal of the present tinfoil millinery industry. Well, I think it helped to greatly popularize the "myth" (by which I mean archtype, not necessarily a fallacy) of the independent researcher, ignoring the Official Explanation and discoverying that Somebody Somewhere is Concealing Something Nefarious. But long before that, it became a truism that in any movie or tv show, the guy saying, "There's a logical explanation for this!" was guaranteed to be completely wrong, and most likely to be the first one eaten by the monster. Oddly, this was not always true. Apparently, in the early days of movies, studios were quite worried that the public would not accept horror or ghost stories. So, they tended to use the "Scooby Doo" solution - show the mysterious, creepy stuff, but reveal at the end that it was actually Old Man Smithers, who would have gotten away with it, if he hadn't been caught by those meddling kids. At some point, it was realized the public actually LIKED the supernatural stuff, and viewed the Scooby Doo Solution as, essentially, a cheat. Which, in the artistic sense, it often is. I wish that someday someone would film "The Hand of Mary Constable" which actually portrays a successful sceptical investigation of a paranormal claim, in a dramatically satisfying manner.
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Post by gillianren on Jun 1, 2011 14:16:19 GMT -4
Heck, there are a lot of historical investigations into the "paranormal" which would make for interesting movies, assuming you left the truth intact. Instead, you get things like that stupid movie about the fairy pictures which fooled Sir Arthur Conan Doyle--and which in the movie are authentic, not at all obviously faked.
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Post by twik on Jun 6, 2011 9:49:54 GMT -4
The odd thing is that the media right now love forensics. And a serious case study of a paranormal claim would be very enlightening.
However, it appears even the "serious" media outlets, like Discovery and National Geographic, have decided that paranormal is where the money is.
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