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Post by Jason on Jan 31, 2011 12:18:27 GMT -4
That's what I am arguing for - the ability to kill anyone I want at any time! It does sound like it: Captain, the clue meter is reading zero. If you want to compare the US military to a bunch of guys who regularly employ suicide bombers on civilian targets - including first responders and police - then any rational person will have to agree that we are in fact the good guys. Or at least the better guys. A broad definition of a terrorist would be anyone who specifically targets civilians and civilian property with the goal of changing a government's policy. Under that definition I am not a terrorist, and neither is the current US government. No, you do not have to be an opponent of the US government in order to be a terrorist. I'm not chanting a mantra. I'm looking at the facts. The facts are that the US is doing everything it can reasonably do to avoid bloodshed while securing Iraq for its people.
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Post by Jason on Jan 31, 2011 12:49:45 GMT -4
Oh, and if you want to compare how the US treats journalists to how the terrorists treat journalists, you have only to look at the case of Daniel Pearl.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 1, 2011 21:19:58 GMT -4
Phantomwolf , it is endless evetns of torture and killing commited by the Iraqi soldiers under the eye of the Americans who didn't move one finger to defend the so called democracy in Iraq and not merely one incident Unfortunately this is the difference between the US running another country and the US working with another country. US Troops don't have command over Iraqi ones, they can make suggestions, but the Iraqis are and have been for a while now the ones in charge. It's not up to the US to tell the Iraqis how to run their country. I am sure that if they were gioven that choice, they'd be happy to step in and stop that sort of thing, but then we'd have you here complaining that the US is running Iraq instead of letting the Iraqis run things. For the most part, where US Troops have gone beyond the norm and commited crimes, they have be dealt with appropriately, and generally not quietly either. I haven't noticed any Insurgents being tried over the murder of civilians, rather they get props from their fellow killers.
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Post by lionking on Feb 2, 2011 4:13:30 GMT -4
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 2, 2011 6:05:24 GMT -4
Got a better source that the World Socialist Web Site? Perhaps Communists are us? I notice they didn't link to a single claim they made.
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Post by lionking on Feb 2, 2011 8:21:24 GMT -4
indiacurrentaffairs.org/wikileaks-iraq-war-crimes-exposed-yohannan-chemerapally/there are a lot on the net. and "The documents also conclusively show that the American occupation forces turned a blind eye to hundreds of cases of reported torture, rape and abuse of civilians by the Iraqi troops they had trained and armed. The leaked logs reveal that there were more than a thousand instances of torture that the American military was aware of. As recently as December, 2009, the Americans were given a video showing Iraqi troops executing a blindfolded prisoner. The report had named one of the Iraqi officers involved in the extra-judicial killing but the US authorities took no action. The recently released documents record American military officials as saying that no “investigation is necessary” and passing the file back to the concerned Iraqi ministry." this means they refused to make investigations were they coul and were supposed to, which means being part of all this..
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Post by echnaton on Feb 2, 2011 10:11:03 GMT -4
there are a lot on the net. But how much of it is accurate? Your track record in providing credible sources is not very to good.
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Post by laurel on Feb 2, 2011 10:33:22 GMT -4
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Post by Jason on Feb 2, 2011 12:48:33 GMT -4
I haven't noticed any Insurgents being tried over the murder of civilians, rather they get props from their fellow killers. Or three squares a day, access to the Koran and worship services, excellent dental and medical care, and free association with their friends in Guantanamo.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 2, 2011 17:22:58 GMT -4
I note that the article doesn't entirely match the headline, and nor does it match the eariler blog. The complaint was not about actual torture, but that prisoners were threatened with torture if they didn't cooperate. I'd also note that the article didn't state that Wolf Company did use torture, it says they have been accused of using it. While both things might seem small, it does make a big difference between "US Soliders hand prisoners over for horrible torture and look the other way" and "US Soldiers complain about threatening prisioners with torture based on accusations against an Iraqi military Company."
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Post by lionking on Feb 3, 2011 4:17:19 GMT -4
there are a lot on the net. But how much of it is accurate? Your track record in providing credible sources is not very to good. the whole world was speaking about the documents and the crimes that the US covered up and committed and you dare tell people that they don't have credible sources...
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Post by lionking on Feb 3, 2011 4:35:07 GMT -4
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Post by Jason on Feb 3, 2011 12:38:20 GMT -4
the whole world was speaking about the documents and the crimes that the US covered up and committed and you dare tell people that they don't have credible sources... Forgive me for saying so, but the "whole world" is fairly gullible then. The record of the US in avoiding unnecessary civilian deaths in wartime is better than any other country I can think of through most of history, and we have a better record of dealing with war crimes by our own soldiers than anyone else as well. Just because perfection is impossible is no reason to condemn us. Our loudest critics seem to be citizens of the governments that would do far worse in the same conditions.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 3, 2011 17:43:35 GMT -4
What investigation should have been done? The Marine reported the event, should he have been investigated for reporting it? The Iraqi was not under US authority, why then should the US have investigated it?
Again, who should have investigated it and what could they have done? Are the Iraqi police under US Military authority? If not, what can the US Military do about the actions of another country's security forces?
Under what regulation or law is any military responsible for releasing all information about civilian deaths it knows about?
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Post by lionking on Feb 4, 2011 4:02:08 GMT -4
when they say: no investigation required " it means that they could have investigated and that it was up to them to decide if investigation is required or not. about the numbers, I am sating that 15,000 iraqis can't just be justified ..they are not 100 people or whatever small number..
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