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Post by chew on Dec 10, 2010 19:19:05 GMT -4
Part 1 of 4 dealing with the Moon landings: www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2va0kpPNu4I would post criticisms but my brain stopped working after 2 minutes of this unadulterated stupidity. Give me some time to recover. But I will say these people are complete morons if they think their Apollo 16 jump recreation looks anything like Young's jump. The guy doesn't even jump straight up and his legs swing out and back!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 10, 2010 20:12:21 GMT -4
Despite their claims otherwise they failed in all three attempts.
1) Hammer and Feather - The feather clearly rotates due to air resistance. Personally I think that it was very poor of them to not note things like that.
2) The Jump - He clearly went forward and swung back. The motion was totally unnatural. All they were looking at was the height and hang time. They also ignored the dust he kicked up when he jumped.
3) They did the lift totally wrong, and never tried it without the wire. They did it hand to hand, but the actual footage has Young's hand on the Duke's thigh.
Obviously the other issue is that all of these three shots were just isolated short clips, but part of 15-20 min telecasts. I think they pandered to the Hoax crowd for fear of upsetting "25%" of the planet.
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Post by chew on Dec 10, 2010 20:46:54 GMT -4
But to their credit they did say they didn't believe it was hoaxed (at least most of them did; I didn't see everybody nod in agreement).
One of the last comments was, iirc, "just because you can hoax it on the Earth doesn't mean it was hoaxed on the Earth". Kinda late in the show to start showing skepticism but better late then never, I guess.
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Post by chew on Dec 11, 2010 7:29:15 GMT -4
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Post by echnaton on Dec 11, 2010 10:19:38 GMT -4
Well it certainly isn't a very good show but at least they recognize that just because you can "duplicate" some scenes of the moon walk footage, it doesn't mean the missions were hoaxed. Not that the jump salute footage was even close to a replication. The actor in the fly rigging jumped forward then swung back on the rope while on the way down. No amount of insistence by the the guy could make that look plausible. His claim that if they had NASA's budget they could recreate the whole moon walk on earth just strains credibility. As far as i can tell, NASA's budget for faking the moon landing was $0.00.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 11, 2010 21:03:27 GMT -4
As far as i can tell, NASA's budget for faking the moon landing was $0.00. This is the thing, most people look at the overall cost of the program and say, look how much they had to spend, with that much anyone could fake it. Of course what they fail to note is that all of that money was accounted for in paying contractors and others to built the euipment that was supposed to go to the moon. To pay for a faked moonlanding ther money has to have come from a non-NASA budget. Of course the other thing is that they only looked at the footage, they didn't even begin to study the tonnes of evidence such as the lunar samples.
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Post by banjomd on Dec 15, 2010 12:49:03 GMT -4
What about the amateurish "thump" (which was inserted) at the hammer/feather surface impact (Scott).
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Post by cos on Dec 15, 2010 19:38:05 GMT -4
Of course the other thing is that they only looked at the footage, they didn't even begin to study the tonnes of evidence such as the lunar samples. They only look at a couple of seconds of footage. I have yet to meet a HB that has sat through a 5 hr EVA and maintained it was fake. The program was pretty moronic (well, at least to seasoned debunkers). I fear that as a species we are de-evolving.
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Post by kallewirsch on Dec 16, 2010 10:28:57 GMT -4
Well, at least they tried to produce footage, which looks pretty good to the original. (Which brings up the question: If they never went to the moon, how do we know what it ought to look?)
But then: "From the earth to the moon" has shown, that it is possible to come up with material, which definitly looks good. Of course one doesn't have to look closely. It is the details, which make the difference (movement of dust, etc).
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Post by banjomd on Dec 16, 2010 10:32:32 GMT -4
. . . But I will say these people are complete morons if they think their Apollo 16 jump recreation looks anything like Young's jump. The guy doesn't even jump straight up and his legs swing out and back! I agree; it looks just like he is swinging on a wire!
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