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Post by lionking on Jan 4, 2011 12:19:00 GMT -4
My question is have you watched it? Look at how the ladle moves, it pivots on an area on her hand where it makes contact. Yet you still insist that it is not in contact with her skin.
I watch it again and again and the ladle doesn't touch the skin. it is moving away from the hand
I simply do not understand why you choose to believe what someone says in a YouTube video. It is remotely possible that there are properties at work here that are not understood, but your credulousness of grasping at the unlikely while dismissing known and testable causes for what you see is just amazing to me. I don't see that it is sticking to her hand . it is not 'known and testable' that metals as heavy as in the second video stick to oily skin. it is not testable that ladles move as such against a hand. thi is why scientists are studying it. it is because it is unusual. I am amazed how you can't see all this.
Try and see what will stick to your skin when it is especially oily. Coins will stick to my forehead for as long as I can hold still enough not to move the skin.
heavy things will not stick to oily skin as in the such video. there was an ironer and other heavy tools. the oily skin should be unusual and deserves to be looked at. Again, had it been so usual scientists wouldn't have studied it.
The other possibility that is not explored is direct fraud. Despite what the video may claim about the absence of double sided tape, there could be one of an array of clear adhesives on the objects.
the scientists should search for fraud like implanting magnetic chips in the skin or whatever.. I don' think they found adhesives on things or else they would have stoppe studying it
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Post by echnaton on Jan 4, 2011 12:47:48 GMT -4
....I don' think they found adhesives on things or else they would have stoppe studying it This is all your supposition on what is happening behind the video. But all that is not shown is entirely unknown. Even what is shown is not particularly clear. As is the same with almost everything else you say here, you believe simply because you want to believe some unproven authority or just on the basis on your own predisposition. My contention is that this is either a prosaic example of sticky skin or deliberate deception. Until you post something that actually supports your contention of an extraordinary phenomenon, then there is little point in continuing this thread.
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Post by lionking on Jan 5, 2011 7:28:55 GMT -4
As you see me I see you my. You don't want to believe the obvious. The scientists are not stupid not to consider deception and adhesives. If you the lay person took it into consideration, they for sure in their trial to explain things took not only this but other things into consideration. Anyhow, there is no point in continuing the debate
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Post by theteacher on Jan 5, 2011 8:35:02 GMT -4
As you see me I see you my. You don't want to believe the obvious. The scientists are not stupid not to consider deception and adhesives. If you the lay person took it into consideration, they for sure in their trial to explain things took not only this but other things into consideration. Anyhow, there is no point in continuing the debate She can get rich! See how at www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.htmlMaybe you should tell her?
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Post by echnaton on Jan 5, 2011 12:34:39 GMT -4
If you the lay person took it into consideration, they for sure in their trial to explain things took not only this but other things into consideration. Here's the rub. This is merely an assumption on you part. You just imagine is should be this way then assume it is true. This is an example of the thinking you exhibit here dating back to your proposition that the moon missions were a hoax because the flag was taped onto the LM. It is a way of thinking you should put some energy into ridding yourself of.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Jan 10, 2011 8:25:15 GMT -4
Once again 'the scientist said...'.
I'm a scientist, and I say it's a fraud. Now what do you say to that?
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Post by PeterB on Jan 10, 2011 11:34:49 GMT -4
I note, in watching the YouTube video, that the footage of Jelena with the ladle stops very suddenly, always at the same point. It's easy to believe what happens next in the footage we don't see.
And how can magnetism be involved when she's holding up a plastic cigarette lighter? The metal part of the lighter isn't what's sticking to her.
Preliminary verdict: oil or sweat is holding these objects in place, and the research needs to be overseen by a magician.
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Post by chew on Jan 18, 2011 21:59:10 GMT -4
Did the scientist who tested her sprinkle any talcum powder on her hands beforehand? I doubt it.
The ladle is touching her hand.
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Post by echnaton on Jun 1, 2011 21:44:54 GMT -4
The Croatian charlatans made the Guardian in a good way. Martin Robins of the Lay Scientist blog discusses them, briefly, then talks about several interesting people that have implanted magnets in their fingertips. The modification gives them the ability to sense magnetic fields. Pretty cool, but not my thing. www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist
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