raven
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Post by raven on Dec 7, 2011 4:15:35 GMT -4
How did the cop exactly do that? Stick his finger between the hammer and the pin I mean.
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Post by randombloke on Dec 7, 2011 7:53:55 GMT -4
Revolvers tend to have external, and relatively large, hammers that move noticeably when the trigger is pulled. If you're close enough and have sharp enough eyes and reflexes, there is plenty of time to get a finger between the hammer and the frame when the other guy starts to fire. Alternatively, you can, if you have the right angles, get enough leverage to pull the hammer back and insert a finger before the trigger is pulled at all. Also, the possibility exists that the pistol was very old and required manual cocking before each trigger pull; that is, the hammer needs to be pulled back with the thumb before each shot and the trigger only releases the stored energy to move the hammer to the primer, but that is unlikely.
This is vastly more difficult with more modern weapons because they tend to have smaller hammers with stronger springs and faster actions and some models leave the hammer in the 'cocked' position after each shot such that the trigger only acts as a release rather than drawing the hammer back first. It's even impossible with some models because the hammer is entirely enclosed or is an integral part of the slide rather than an external component.
If the officer had intercepted a striking hammer though, I would expect it to hurt like hell of course; those things are small, pointy, and driven by surprising force.
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raven
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Post by raven on Dec 7, 2011 15:13:03 GMT -4
But significantly less than being shot I would hope. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by randombloke on Dec 7, 2011 15:55:37 GMT -4
Oh yes, but the essence of the successful hammer-block then becomes that not only do you time everything right, but also that you don't flinch and let the hammer strike anyway...
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Post by gillianren on Dec 7, 2011 17:58:16 GMT -4
That was a cop with nerve, certainly.
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Post by ka9q on Dec 8, 2011 2:05:18 GMT -4
Maybe he just really hated being interrupted while he was trying to watch a movie. Well, he did have something to hide -- he snuck in without buying a ticket. I hear that's a hanging offense in Texas, so I guess he was desperate not to get caught. Seriously, Oswald's guilt in both murders was so obvious to everyone who encountered him that there were very serious doubts as to whether the man could ever have gotten a fair trial had he lived.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 8, 2011 5:25:42 GMT -4
Which is yet another example of a logical failing to the conspiracy. Would you choose someone that nuts as your patsy? Which is why, when I'm putting together my fake conspiracy, Oswald has nothing to do with it. He was where he said he was, doing what he said he did. No one with any sense would have relied on him. Which is also why I have to have him kill J. D. Tippit; you would have to do a lot of dancing to get him out of that one, and it would have required conspirators. So I guess the other option would be a conspiracy of loons.
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Post by ka9q on Dec 8, 2011 6:10:39 GMT -4
So, in your conspiracy, why would Oswald shoot Tippit if Oswald was innocent of JFK's murder? Just to make him look guilty of it when he wasn't?
Trying to follow these conspiracy theories gives me a headache. :-)
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Post by gillianren on Dec 8, 2011 16:10:07 GMT -4
Nope. It had nothing to do with JFK whatsoever. What did it have to do with? That doesn't matter to the story. Or if it did have something to do with JFK, it had to do with what Oswald surely would have known--he was the most obvious suspect. He worked in a building that overlooked the motorcade route (even if Oswald didn't know that people actually saw a shooter in the window). He had defected to the Soviet Union and then come back, but he was still a vocal Communist and Castro supporter. I mean, if they're going to railroad anyone, it would be Lee Harvey Oswald. Which is why my theory has him leaving the building in the first place; he was scared! He's just trying to get away from the cops until they find whoever the real shooter is (my theory only has one, because my conspirators aren't stupid), and now, he's being followed by a cop! Basically, he shoots Tippit either out of a preexisting argument (maybe Tippit and Marina are fooling around?) or because, let's face it, Lee wasn't that bright and didn't realize that shooting a cop was not the way to escape attention the day a President was assassinated.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 12, 2011 19:09:54 GMT -4
And I'll believe E. Howard Hunt about anything after my lobotomy.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 12, 2011 22:14:48 GMT -4
Oh, yes. Movies. That's the same as evidence.
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Post by gillianren on Dec 13, 2011 1:26:42 GMT -4
Still not evidence. You don't know how to research at all, do you?
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Post by redneckr0nin on Dec 13, 2011 9:10:32 GMT -4
Oh my dear god. That's your proof is a shockumentry called Evidence of Revison? I'm starting to strongly think you have a invested interest in seeing this film sell.
First off Black Ops, The Vietnam war, MKultra, Lincoln, the Roman empire have not a thing to do with the actual assassination of JFK. That is typical conspiracy theory misdirection where a film goes on and on about A does B throughout history do that must mean A always does B. Sorry to burst your bubble but human behavior even in the same subject is not pre-destined. You, I and every member here has a choice to do what we will or how we react to a situation. It's the same as saying every child that is sexually and physically abused will become a sociopath and in that regard become a serial killer. Well plenty of people that had been abused as a child grew up to be fairly empathetic people, even sociopathic behavior has appeared in people that had wonderful upbringings( see Jeffery Dalhmer). As well a five DVD , 8 hour long film that I'm sure will light my gluteus Maximus on fire still doesn't devalue that study that I mentioned above. That 30 different professionals and experts in their respective fields all with a pre-conceived notion that there was more to it than publicly realeased, all agreed... It was impossible for anyone but Oswald to do the shooting. Now if it comes down to some unknown that made a film that says right on the introduction it takes you back to the Roman Empire when it should be dealing with anything in 20th century.... Or 30 experts with I'm imagining a staggering amount of practical hours each in their respective fields..... Well I'm going to have to go with the experts on this one.
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Post by echnaton on Dec 13, 2011 10:09:58 GMT -4
saintjohnhunt.com/"The true story of notorious American spy and Watergate Conspirator E. Howard Hunt and his son, Saint John Hunt. Including startling new information about Watergate and the J.F.K. assassination with photos, documents and the handwritten memos by E. Howard Hunt from his famous death bed "last confession." Care to concede defeat on your Apollo thread before you try to sell another vat of FUD that no one is buying?
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Post by echnaton on Dec 13, 2011 12:52:25 GMT -4
In the 1973 movie Executive Action, was the evidence presented concerning Oswald fabricated or was it presented fairly and factual? I am curious to know if there was anything in the documentary EVIDENCE OF REVISION that you found of value? Did you watch all of the 5 disks? I am curious to know if there was anything you found to be of value? gillianren why would you not consider anything presented by e howard hunt or on his behalf by his son saint john hunt ? What has been presented by these two men that you consider to be of value? Or is this to be another exercise in FUD mongering?
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