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Post by peterscreek on Mar 2, 2011 18:20:04 GMT -4
Since I don't assert anything... Just a few of the assertions made so far: - "Unmanned probes can do the job [of deploying the LRRR]."
- "For most people here, it is a matter of belief than reason."
- "No, most people here don't know anything in fact."
- "This explains why people had the knee-jerk reaction of shifting the burden of proof on me, or had to resort to copy and paste."
- "Well, great more copy and paste."
Assertions substantively supported so far:
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 18:33:14 GMT -4
If you want to use the argument that the moon samples brought back to earth prove that it was real, then you must be able to prove just what quantity were analyzed by independent scientists who do not work for NASA. Isn't NASA the one who manage the samples and decide how and when they send those samples? Do the scientist have to bring those samples back to NASA? Is there a registry that informs us what samples, if they are identified, to whom it is sent, for how long, etc? And who has access to this registry?
Obviously, if you don't dig deep enough, the only thing you will end up with is superficial knowledge.
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 18:36:49 GMT -4
It is sad to see people behaving so irrationally. LOL Just like your 'rational' comments on YouTube... Youtube? I don't even go to that site. What are you talking about?
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Post by tedward on Mar 2, 2011 18:46:54 GMT -4
Obviously, if you don't dig deep enough, the only thing you will end up with is superficial knowledge. How far have you dug? The topic is huge, full list please or its hot air.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 2, 2011 19:00:45 GMT -4
If you want to use the argument that the moon samples brought back to earth prove that it was real, then you must be able to prove just what quantity were analyzed by independent scientists who do not work for NASA. The US and USSR shared some of their lunar samples with each other. I believe that Soviet scientists qualified as "independent scientists who do not work for NASA". No? Not only were Soviet scientists independent, their government was hostile to the United States and would have loved to expose a hoax. Source: ares.jsc.nasa.gov/education/factsheets/rocksfromspace.pdf
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Post by cos on Mar 2, 2011 19:01:21 GMT -4
The fact you so lightly dismiss the lunar samples proves beyond doubt that you have done zero research. Here is a primer for you to ignore. meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/howdoweknow.htmAnd before you insult me - I do understand it and more.
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 19:14:16 GMT -4
What quantity?
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Post by slang on Mar 2, 2011 19:30:14 GMT -4
There's an incomplete list of institutions and researchers who worked on the Apollo 11 samples here. Here's the lunar sample building at Johnson Space Center, let's see if you can find quantities there. Have fun.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 2, 2011 19:30:27 GMT -4
Does it matter? You wanted confirmation that the Apollo rocks came from the Moon, and the Soviets gave it to you. Obviously NASA isn't going to give all of their 800+ pounds of Moon samples to the Soviets.
If your theory is that robotic landers returned all of NASA's samples to Earth then it is up to you to prove it. You're asking me to believe that these probes were designed, built, tested, launched, sent to the Moon, and returned to Earth all in secret. You have not given us any reason to believe that was the case, or that it could even be done.
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 19:49:24 GMT -4
Since they can't prove that all 800+ pounds of rocks were analyzed, they can't use that as an argument that they went on the moon unless the quantity analyzed and confirmed to be of lunar origin was also so huge that it would have required to send men and that there is solid proof that they analyzed that much.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 2, 2011 20:00:25 GMT -4
Since they can't prove that all 800+ pounds of rocks were analyzed, they can't use that as an argument that they went on the moon unless the quantity analyzed and confirmed to be of lunar origin was also so huge that it would have required to send men and that there is solid proof that they analyzed that much. I suggest you learn more, those with cause to study the samples can request part of a specific sample in their request. Without knowing which samples people will want, how could NASA have known which to get and which to fake? curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/checklist.cfm
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Post by slang on Mar 2, 2011 20:05:03 GMT -4
Since they can't prove that all 800+ pounds of rocks were analyzed, they can't use that as an argument that they went on the moon unless the quantity analyzed and confirmed to be of lunar origin was also so huge that it would have required to send men and that there is solid proof that they analyzed that much. The next time a crime is committed in your vicinity and DNA evidence is found, I'll suggest the investigators compare it to the DNA of each single cell in your body, just in case one matches. Makes sense, no?
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Post by lukepemberton on Mar 2, 2011 20:15:16 GMT -4
Since they can't prove that all 800+ pounds of rocks were analyzed, they can't use that as an argument that they went on the moon unless the quantity analyzed and confirmed to be of lunar origin was also so huge that it would have required to send men and that there is solid proof that they analyzed that much. Many of the lunar rocks and soil samples have been analysed from all missions, and the results from that analysis confirm they were not formed on Earth. Care to explain why those hundreds (if not thousands) of studies are so wrong that it would cast doubt on the origin of the lunar samples?
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 20:22:45 GMT -4
Since they can't prove that all 800+ pounds of rocks were analyzed, they can't use that as an argument that they went on the moon unless the quantity analyzed and confirmed to be of lunar origin was also so huge that it would have required to send men and that there is solid proof that they analyzed that much. I suggest you learn more, those with cause to study the samples can request part of a specific sample in their request. Without knowing which samples people will want, how could NASA have known which to get and which to fake? curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/checklist.cfmWithout a complete list of all of the samples identified by their numbers with a picture of them and their respective weights, we still can't know if all of the 800 pounds of lunar rocks were tested.
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Post by laurel on Mar 2, 2011 20:27:40 GMT -4
So the samples that have been tested and proven to be from the Moon don't carry any weight with you then? Good job moving the goalposts.
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