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Post by slang on Mar 2, 2011 21:03:15 GMT -4
To continue your "you can't prove it with 100% certainty" schtick. Why else?
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Post by laurel on Mar 2, 2011 21:04:00 GMT -4
I don't believe that men didn't go to the moon. Do you go to the hoax believers' sites and argue with them in this manner? Just curious.
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Post by lukepemberton on Mar 2, 2011 21:04:52 GMT -4
If they only tested 25% of the alleged 800 pounds they brought back, then we only have confirmed that 200 pounds were indeed of lunar origin. Can we bring back 200 pounds using an unmanned probe? I don't know. But perhaps it is. You don't know, that's just it. You are making a bare assertion. Your reasoning is wrong because the samples were taken from across many rocks. You don't take 200 pounds of rock, grind them up and test them. The techniques carried out on the rocks don't require masses of rock, just small quantities. Can you get rocks the size of Big Muley back using robotic probes? How about the Genesis Rock? How about core samples? What robots do you suggest took the core samples?
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:05:15 GMT -4
You'd have to quote one of the papers saying that they analyzed the Genesis rock. I doubt they do analyses on a big rock. Instead, they do it on smaller samples of it, but then again NASA probably only distribute small samples of rocks and not big chunks of rock, so then they'd would have to believe the little rocks they were given are from the rock they saw, if everything I just said was true.
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Post by lukepemberton on Mar 2, 2011 21:11:59 GMT -4
And to what extent is the media free to broadcast anything it want? Here we go, the old media argument. If the media is so controlled, why did Fox, owned by the world's biggest media mogul, broadcast the Fox Moonhoax Special? Riddle me that one batman. Surely Uncle Murdoch, with all his big contracts at risk, would not take the chance of upsetting the US government by blowing their biggest secret?
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:13:39 GMT -4
If NASA didn't tightly manage the samples and instead decided to hand out everything to universities throughout the world and let them manage their share as they saw fit, I wouldn't have even brought up that argument, but since they tightly manage the samples and the process is not transparent, I did.
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:14:23 GMT -4
And to what extent is the media free to broadcast anything it want? Here we go, the old media argument. If the media is so controlled, why did Fox, owned by the world's biggest media mogul, broadcast the Fox Moonhoax Special? Riddle me that one batman. Surely Uncle Murdoch, with all his big contracts at risk, would not take the chance of upsetting the US government by blowing their biggest secret? Please don't deviate from the subject. I want to talk about moon samples since it's a lot more relevant.
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Post by lukepemberton on Mar 2, 2011 21:16:22 GMT -4
You'd have to quote one of the papers saying that they analyzed the Genesis rock. I doubt they do analyses on a big rock. Instead, they do it on smaller samples of it, but then again NASA probably only distribute small samples of rocks and not big chunks of rock, so then they'd would have to believe the little rocks they were given are from the rock they saw, if everything I just said was true. Now, you accept that there has been much analysis of many small samples, are you going to have a go at answering my question that I am about to ask for the third time. Why do you doubt the rocks came from the moon (be specific please)? Or do you believe that man landed on the moon?
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Post by laurel on Mar 2, 2011 21:17:35 GMT -4
"Deviate from the subject"? You're the one who brought up the "controlled media" argument in the first place. If you don't want people to respond to your arguments, maybe you shouldn't post them.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 2, 2011 21:18:04 GMT -4
How about you start by proving that there was even just one robotic lunar sample return mission launched by the United States. I'll say it again... if NASA used robotic landers to return samples to Earth they would have had to be designed, built, tested, launched, and returned by people. Why have none of these people come forward to talk about the robotic probes? Surely it would drive them crazy to have to keep quiet about their greatest achievement. Why would they do that? Do what? Come forward to talk about the probes? Well, if I was someone who made robots for a living it would drive me crazy not being able to talk about it. It would look great on my resumé for one thing. The next time someone wanted a robot they'd think of me first. Building a robot that successfully brought rocks back from the Moon would be a huge accomplishment... I would want to brag about it. In 2001 Fox broadcast an hour long program about the Moon hoax theory. What does that tell you about the freedom of the media? There are many hoax theorists out there. If they were onto something then surely they would have been silenced by now. If that single man had a convincing story to tell then why wouldn't people believe him?
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:18:19 GMT -4
You'd have to quote one of the papers saying that they analyzed the Genesis rock. I doubt they do analyses on a big rock. Instead, they do it on smaller samples of it, but then again NASA probably only distribute small samples of rocks and not big chunks of rock, so then they'd would have to believe the little rocks they were given are from the rock they saw, if everything I just said was true. Now, you accept that there has been much analysis of many small samples, are you going to have a go at answering my question that I am about to ask for the third time. Why do you doubt the rocks came from the moon (be specific please)? Or do you believe that man landed on the moon? I am asking to prove they were all from the moon since we take it for granted and then use it as an argument. I don't believe anything. Everything is a belief implying a number of assumptions.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Mar 2, 2011 21:19:51 GMT -4
Here we go, the old media argument. If the media is so controlled, why did Fox, owned by the world's biggest media mogul, broadcast the Fox Moonhoax Special? Riddle me that one batman. Surely Uncle Murdoch, with all his big contracts at risk, would not take the chance of upsetting the US government by blowing their biggest secret? Please don't deviate from the subject. I want to talk about moon samples since it's a lot more relevant. You're the one who brought up the media. And as the moderator I'll judge what is relevant, thanks.
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:19:59 GMT -4
I don't know to what extent the media is controlled, but certain government do censor certain things. I heard that the government did exert some control during the Iraq war, perhaps it was not the case, who knows? This is all I will say
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Post by lukepemberton on Mar 2, 2011 21:20:05 GMT -4
Please don't deviate from the subject. I want to talk about moon samples since it's a lot more relevant. Then don't introduce the media into the discussion for others to hook into. So let's talk about moon samples at your request. That's your request right? I hope yiou adhere to the discussion now you have made that request. Tell me, what is it about the rocks that tell us they came from the moon, and what to you doubt about the results from that analysis. Be very specific, let's have that discussion that you have requested. If not, why will you not have the discussion?
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Post by kimchijjigae on Mar 2, 2011 21:26:11 GMT -4
Please don't deviate from the subject. I want to talk about moon samples since it's a lot more relevant. Then don't introduce the media into the discussion for others to hook into. So let's talk about moon samples at your request. That's your request right? I hope yiou adhere to the discussion now you have made that request. Tell me, what is it about the rocks that tell us they came from the moon, and what to you doubt about the results from that analysis. Be very specific, let's have that discussion that you have requested. If not, why will you not have the discussion? I don't doubt any of the scientific conclusions. However, their conclusions has very limited implications, and for that reason do not by themselves prove that we sent men on the moon. If all the researches were done on a small quantity of rocks, then all we can say is that the rocks they have analyzed indeed come from the moon. We should not extrapolate beyond that.
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