Post by fattydash on Jul 15, 2011 22:21:06 GMT -4
07/15/2011
THANKS TO ALL, AND ESPECIALLY TO YOU JAY, WITH THE GREATEST SINCERITY
BELOW, MY PRESENTATION OF A "DEFENSE" AS REGARDS JAY'S FINAL CHARGE
CAREFUL STUDY WILL SHOW THE ARGUMENT FEATURED IN THIS RESPONSE INDEED PROVIDES AN ULTIMATE AND DEFINITIVE PRESENTATION OF "APOLLO'S SOLUTION"
MY APOLOGIES TO ALL SURVIVING ASTRONAUTS. I MEAN YOU NO HARM. I MEAN THIS WHEN I SAY YOU HAVE ENGENDERED MY SYMPATHY. I DO SO ADMIRE YOUR COURAGE. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND YOURSELVES HOWEVER THAT I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.
Good morning to all, typically I would sleep now. I have been up for 15 hours working in a hospital. As you read along, it will become more and more apparent why an individual who has not slept in over 24 hours would pen what amounts to an essay, to people whom he does not know in regard to an issue he can never hope to understand. The last 24 hours have passed and for reasons themselves so baffling and mysterious, reasons light years beyond my any hope to comprehend, "Apollo's Solution" came to me. This responsibility seems far too great for a small person like myself and I have no idea how I possibly will be able to manage this, but I must try. I am crying now as I write these words. My mother has been ill, though improving. When I came to her home she thought me too ill. I must appear so strange, my person reflecting this truth which is so immense for me. I only see one way forward, though I am as frightened as a man who was about to fly to the moon. I pray only you leave us all in peace, me and the astronauts. If one was to ask me how it was I that came to see these things, I could not say anyway. I do not understand this at all and believe I will need to live as quietly and as alone as did a famous astronaut to whom I recently wrote.
I am sure those following the debate between Jay and myself will notice a different tone in my words. My cynicism has vanished. I will simply present the facts in this matter as all will come to know them. As for Jay's charge of inauthenticity, it was of course simply a debating tactic on his part. I believe in the context of the debate, Jay took exception to my pointing out that it was presumptuous of him that he should think a doctor would know little about these matters. I only say now, the facts as regards all of this will show I am a capable person with numbers. The study of mathematics is a hobby of mine, as is the study of physics. I am quite good at these things. I am a doctor who loves numbers. Perhaps that is how I will come to be known. I imagine there is no chance or hope for anonymity, so if people see me that way. It is OK as it is more or less true. I wish I could be anonymous, though I imagine that will not be possible.
I wish you no harm Jay and admire your passion for this world of the "old Apollo". You challenged me and brought me home to this truth which I am sure you understand I must share. I do not relish this. However, telling people things, big things, that simply are not true as in the case with Apollo is ever so damaging to a culture. I move forward with a presentation of the facts, no poking fun any longer. We have gone well beyond that point. I pray we all find the strength to cope with the inevitable mind numbing fallout.
APOLLO'S SOLUTION
Note how rather early on after my "Lost Bird" thread was introduced that some were calling for its closure. This was reflective of anxiety on the part of official story advocates with more than a little knowledge as regards the truth. Note how there was a call to ban "fattydash" when I posted the quote from the transcript featuring Michael Collins being given coordinates of the Eagle by the CapCom. I was close there, and this created anxiety and resulted in the "tension" over the possibility of a ban. But to ban me might draw all the more attention, a problem for both sides. Let's take a look at why the tension developed.
Remember now, Michael Collins within the context of the Apollo script is not supposed to know where his colleagues are. The Eagle at this time is said to be lost. Also remember there are multiple publications of "planned landing coordinates" including
N 00 43 56 , E 23 38 51 and N 00 42 50 , E 23 42 28 . The appearance in the "historic record" of multiple planned landing coordinates reflects an effort to intentionally deceive. Here is the Apollo 11 Voice Transcript starting at 04 08 20 28;
CapCom: Roger, Mike. We got an update on the LAT longi- tude for the LM, if you're ready to copy. Over.
Collins: Go ahead. Go ahead.
CapCom: Roger. Columbia, it's plus 7 - correction, plus 0.799 for the LAT, plus 11.730 for the longitude over two. Over.
Collins: Thank you. The altitude remain unchanged?
My previous interpretation per the earlier post was incorrect. Here is the solution. It is a bit tricky.
First, longitudinal coordinates were said to be halved out of interest for accuracy. This quote explaining this is from W. David Woods informative book, "How Apollo Flew to the Moon".
It is interesting to note how longitude was handled by the software in the computers in the CSM and LM. Conventionally, longitude around a body would be expressed in the range -180 to + 180 degrees. Using the 5-digit display of the DSKY, a large longitude value could only be represented to two decimal places, e.g. + 178.62 degrees. Remembering that in this primitive computer there was no provision for the decimal point to float, we can see that all longitudes would have had to be expressed to two decimal places, and around the equator, 0.01 degree represented a third of a kilometre, an uncertainty that was much too large for Apollo. An elegant solution arrived at by the programmers was to stipulate that all longitudes would be handled by the computer after they had been divided by 2. The largest longitude values would now not exceed 90 degrees and could be expressed to three decimal places. This brought down the inherent resolution of the value to a mere 60 metres.
W. David Woods. How Apollo Flew to the Moon (Kindle Locations 3606-3612). Kindle Edition.
So the longitudinal information being communicated is half the measured longitude. Therefore the longitude of 11.730 becomes 23.46.
Also, the astronauts claim that as regards the digital display, the numbers 3 and 9 become confused. This is obviously intentional, assuming that this is not "disinformation". I will not go into details here as regards the obvious role played by CapComs in terms of "securing" the Apollo 11 transcript. It is a transcript featuring the voices of participants in the fraud only. There are no outside voices. Under these circumstances, again I will not go into details as it is not necessary now, "3s" may become "9s" and "9s" may become "3s". Here is a quote from the Apollo 11 debriefing report where the astronauts discuss this;
Aldrin: "It just came up with some garbage. Well this caused a little bit of concern because we were quite anxious to have the AGS with us for the whole flight. We were beginning to wonder whether we would or not. Let's see, there was one funny thing that I don't think we've mentioned. It was pretty minor. One of the strokes on the DEDA was not illuminated. Each character is made up of all these different strokes. The one missing was in the middle character, and it would leave you in a position where you couldn't tell whether it was a three or a nine. I didn't realize at the time that there was any room for confusion. Later, in looking at some numbers, you could not really tell whether it was a three or a nine."
If one looks at the Apollo 11 debriefing reports that have been republished by Apogee, one does not find this passage featuring Aldrin's comment about the 3/9 issue. This reflects an effort to intentionally mislead. If you look on line for this passage or look for it in the apogee books, you may well have trouble finding it if you can find it at all. Saved paper copies of the "original" may substantiate the point above. Don not lose them, the internet has being scrubbed. If you have one or more copies of the old debriefing report, hang on to it. Also, Aldrin's comment is not credible there. 3/9 confusion would be a major issue obviously. Another example where the "official story" loses contact/traction with the realities of what a genuine astronaut would think. A problem with a computer readout window would be a big problem, a gigantic problem.
From the above we have Collins informed of the lat being .799 . 3/9 confusion which is said in the debriefing report to indeed occur in this middle window. This gives lat .739. Converting that to the more familiar north coordinate
N 00 44 20. This is very close to the "preflight planned" N 00 43 56. The two latitudes differ by 24 seconds of arc which on the moon is, roughly 550 feet, less than 2 football fields.
For the longitudinal coordinate, Collins is fed the number 11.730 in the script. We double this as above and get 23.46 degrees and converting to the more familiar; E 23 27 36 we see the script has place our astronauts roughly 11 minutes of arc down range from the "planned" east/longitudinal coordinate, E 23 38 51. This converts to 3 and a half miles, consistent with the Apollo 11 official story as written in its script.
So Collins is at both one in the same time, hunting for his colleagues with his sextant AND being sent lunar coordinates informing him as to their exact whereabouts. Recall as I have pointed out in previous posts, and have supported in those posts by way of referring to statements made by Collins in his very own book, "Carrying the Fire", a book in which Collins gives a first hand not coauthored/not ghost written account of his Apollo 11 mission experience, Collins contends that there is absolutely no way the location of a lunar lander like the Eagle can be determined once landed on the moon, except by way of having astronauts such as Armstrong and Aldrin describe the local environs, and then subsequently having geologists back on earth find a place roughly matching that description based on "crude maps". I swear to God I am not making that up. I have emphasized multiple times that one should read at least the relevant section of Collin's book for oneself. Imagine oneself to be landing in Nebraska from another world for the first time and expecting your colleagues on your home planet to be able to determine your location there in the infinite sea of wheat with ANY degree of precision based on your description of some random field. Collins first asks us to accept this ludicrous assertion, and moreover accept this ludicrous assertion now and into the future in the very face of our being able to "read" for the very first time the very very secret, and nonetheless very very phony, Apollo mission coordinate code. The bird is lost, and at the same, Collins pretends to know exactly where his friends are on this phony mission, and he must do so in order to scam/fool a select few of those onlookers, the navigationally literate, the people for whom it would be utterly impossible to scam were the hoaxers to try the hopelessly untenable "lost bird" line on them. I cover this point in some detail below.
The "Lost Bird" story is the bogus story for the majority of us. And at the same time, Collins knows precisely where his friends are, 3.5 miles give or take from the proposed landing site as above. This is the story, the data guidance people see and accept as confirming what they anticipate. 2 stories, astronauts lost and astronauts so very well found!
As regards Armstrong's claims of being lost;
From the Apollo 11 voice transcript line at time 05 02 51 33
CDR We're ready to copy. (TRA_Q)
CC Roger. LMascentPAD: TIG12422000000 NOUN 76 55349 00322, plus 0017; DEDA 47, plus 37104, minus 70470, plus 58604, plus 56936. Your LM weight 10837. Your T14 126, plus 20, plus 12. Over.
CDR What figure is the crossrange and NOUN 76? (TRANQ)
CC Roger. Your crossrange for NOUN 76 - By the way, we may update this later, but now it is plus 0017. Over.
As per my previous post, 76 above refers to location. The Latitude is .55349 PLUS the cross range of .17 gives .72349 degrees north and we convert to the more familiar N 00 43 24. Again, as above, we find ourselves very close to the planned north latitude of N 00 43 56. As a matter of fact, we are only 32 seconds of arc away. That amounts to roughly 660 feet. Pretty good I would say, were it true. Remember US Geological Survey is looking for Armstrong.
For the east coordinate we have 3.22, but this is a longitude so we double it and get, 6.44 degrees. We then add to that our cross range of 17 for a total of 23.44. We then write this coordinate of Armstrong's in the more familiar E 23 26 24. Again, note we are 11 or 12 minutes of arc, three and a half miles or so give or take, downrange from the proposed/planned longitudinal/east coordinate, E 23 38 51. This was true as well in the case of the Collins' example where it was he, earlier on in the scripted voice communication document, being fed the Eagle's coordinates by the CapCom. I encourage all to do the math for yourselves. It is instructive on many levels, not the least of which to get a real spine tingling feel for a bit of detail, as regards this extraordinary scheme. Keep in mind when you do this, this is the dark heart of this scam. This is its critical feature. THE CRITICAL FEATURE! You are not supposed to be able to read these numbers. DO NOT BE AFRAID! READ THEM WITH ME!
Please note carefully, this is a point that in no way can be overemphasized, the whole fraudulent scheme is critically dependent upon having those "coded" coordinates appear in the script in such a way that you and I could never in a zillion years hope to possibly read them and at the same time, these very same coordinates must appear in that Apollo 11 script to the navigationally literate, honest scientists working on Apollo as "not coded" at all. It was ever so ever so ever so diabolical and it worked, up until now.
Time will show that the world's interpretation of Apollo was changed forever, on this day, by way of my "decoding" these numbers, numbers the lost public was never intended to find, for the CapCom's coded lunar coordinates would orient this lost public to Apollo's fraud. These numbers you and I were never intended to see in this recognizable and MEANINGFUL form, in the case of the Collin's/CapCom communication example; N 00 44 20/E 23 27 36, and in the case of the Armstrong/CapCom communication example; N 00 43 24/E 23 26 24. The numbers remaining in their coded form was the fraud's lynchpin. The numbers remaining in their coded form provided plausibility for NASA's "Lost Bird" pretense. Please note the official numbers of the alleged Eagle's alleged Tranquility Base, N 00 41 15/E 23 26 00. These later coordinates are those of the LRRR Armstrong/Aldrin were reputed to have left. But how could Armstrong possibly have left this LRRR on the surface of the moon? Each second of arc for a moon of 6783 miles diameter represents a distance of 27.6 feet. According to NASA's own communication with Neil Armstrong per the CapCom interaction he is 129 seconds of arc North of the LRRR. That would put Armstrong 3,560 feet north of the LRRR or .67 miles. As Armstrong did not have a rover, we see now that the guidance people once duped, have now been found. They now know this to be fraud because of the distance one may calculate between the LRRR which indeed is on the moon and the bogus coordinates the CapCom gives to Armstrong in this coded form from where the Eagle takes off from the moon in NASA's Apollo 11 script. For the rest of us, the non guidance people, it's in a sense easier to see the deception, see it more immediately. We really need not do the math, as we were told a whole team of US Geological Survey people were hunting for Armstrong on maps, and now we see the Apollo 11 script featured precise coordinates for the Eagle all along. We recognize the story fed us, the "Lost Bird" line, as the not so simple lie that it was, and a very big not so simple lie at that.
Of course, were this a bona fide lunar landing, we would expect the CapCom to be communicating the same coordinates to astronauts Armstrong and Collins . The features of the situation here that we are dealing with which reveal the "radio show" to be contrived and which exposes the Apollo 11 voyage as a voyage of fraudulence are Aldrin/Armstrong/Houston/Collins on the one hand claiming that the Eagle's position is not known, that the "bird is lost", and at the very same time, for the benefit of a few elite level onlookers, guidance people I would imagine, are communicating in a fashion reflective of the Eagle's coordinates being known, and known rather precisely. Keep in mind, essentially everyone believes this to be the real deal, including the very smartest scientists and technicians involved. Some of these elite level scientists/engineers/technicians need to see coordinates, or they would know the whole thing was fake. Two stories, one for the masses, you and me, and one for the few honest elite scientist/believers, navigation literate, the few people that could have read this stuff, all those crazy numbers, and read them in real time. It took me 3 months, and I am good with numbers. These elite, navigation literate participants in the Apollo 11 mission, would absolutely be looking for and would absolutely have to be shown coordinates on the evening of 07/20/1969.
In the case of bona fide lunar landings, astronauts simply would not pretend to be lost. As discussed in previous posts, it is reasonable to suggest NASA feared LUNA 15's camera, though that need not necessarily be the explanation. Regardless, we must conclude, albeit with a sense of grim reluctance, that this Apollo 11 Voice Transcript is just that, a script, dialog in a rather complex semi-live play.
With our identification of those moments where the script features precise coordinates being given to Collins and Armstrong, we confirm "Apollo" to be contrived "plot". And as regards the "script", note the feature of NASA's logistics here. Their primary document for this whole charade features only the voices of astronauts, Collins,Armstrong, Aldrin, CapComs. How convenient that no one can get a word in edgewise. Back to some coordinate housekeeping.
Note I used the 3/9 switch in the Collins' latitude example as it gave me a better result, but not using it would have worked pretty well also. My computer was tampered with as I approached "Apollo's Solution". This tampering had to do with documents referencing the 3/9 switch. So as regards the 3/9 switch, check your version of the debriefing, see if it is there. It was in an "older version" that I have. One wonders if this type of stuff is disinformation, planted to encourage people to "play" with the numbers too much and get lost. That is a complicated and interesting subject indeed. Shall we leave it for another day? Suffice it to say the 3/9 switch issue is not critical to my argument, and of course my solution stands and stands well had I not employed the 3/9 switch in the "Eagle's" coordinate decoding for the Collins/CapCom case. Do the math for yourselves, you'll see you get an acceptable result if you leave the 9 a 9 and do not change it to a three as regards the latitude coordinate originally given by the CapCom at .799. Because the computer document tampering I discovered dealt with this issue in particular, I wondered/wonder if it is not intended to get people that are moving close to "Apollo's Solution" to substitute 3/9 wildly and throw them off track when they are at the very door step. Please take a look and think for yourselves!!!!
The issue with the longitude calculations is well documented. There is no doubt this was officially endorsed as the method they used.
So Armstrong and Aldrin were pretending to be lost, but for the sake of guidance people and a few smart engineers, these "coded" references to the Eagle's lunar coordinates, needed to appear. Essentially all of the 400,000 Apollo workers thought this legit, including of course the important guidance people. If you sucker them, THAT!!!!! is what makes this type of ruse effective.
Reading the Apollo script this way, it is easy to spot some on the "inside", Charles Berry the doctor because he does not attend to his astronaut patients as he should as a genuine doctor would. The guidance guy that makes the famous "calls" of GO when the computer alarm flashes on the way down, as this is a ruse, it can only go in one direction, fake landing. It is not a real decision point, ergo, the guidance guy, that particular guy, is part of the select few.
I told my mom and a few best friends about this today as strange things happened to my computer as I got "close"
Perhaps one day there will be more to say, but I am only confused now and am a little frightened about what may occur, but what am I to do??
Best to you all. I mean no one harm, especially you Jay. You inspired me to finish. I am exhausted!
For Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins, I have always viewed you as courageous. You have my sympathy and great admiration. P
THANKS TO ALL, AND ESPECIALLY TO YOU JAY, WITH THE GREATEST SINCERITY
BELOW, MY PRESENTATION OF A "DEFENSE" AS REGARDS JAY'S FINAL CHARGE
CAREFUL STUDY WILL SHOW THE ARGUMENT FEATURED IN THIS RESPONSE INDEED PROVIDES AN ULTIMATE AND DEFINITIVE PRESENTATION OF "APOLLO'S SOLUTION"
MY APOLOGIES TO ALL SURVIVING ASTRONAUTS. I MEAN YOU NO HARM. I MEAN THIS WHEN I SAY YOU HAVE ENGENDERED MY SYMPATHY. I DO SO ADMIRE YOUR COURAGE. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND YOURSELVES HOWEVER THAT I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE.
Good morning to all, typically I would sleep now. I have been up for 15 hours working in a hospital. As you read along, it will become more and more apparent why an individual who has not slept in over 24 hours would pen what amounts to an essay, to people whom he does not know in regard to an issue he can never hope to understand. The last 24 hours have passed and for reasons themselves so baffling and mysterious, reasons light years beyond my any hope to comprehend, "Apollo's Solution" came to me. This responsibility seems far too great for a small person like myself and I have no idea how I possibly will be able to manage this, but I must try. I am crying now as I write these words. My mother has been ill, though improving. When I came to her home she thought me too ill. I must appear so strange, my person reflecting this truth which is so immense for me. I only see one way forward, though I am as frightened as a man who was about to fly to the moon. I pray only you leave us all in peace, me and the astronauts. If one was to ask me how it was I that came to see these things, I could not say anyway. I do not understand this at all and believe I will need to live as quietly and as alone as did a famous astronaut to whom I recently wrote.
I am sure those following the debate between Jay and myself will notice a different tone in my words. My cynicism has vanished. I will simply present the facts in this matter as all will come to know them. As for Jay's charge of inauthenticity, it was of course simply a debating tactic on his part. I believe in the context of the debate, Jay took exception to my pointing out that it was presumptuous of him that he should think a doctor would know little about these matters. I only say now, the facts as regards all of this will show I am a capable person with numbers. The study of mathematics is a hobby of mine, as is the study of physics. I am quite good at these things. I am a doctor who loves numbers. Perhaps that is how I will come to be known. I imagine there is no chance or hope for anonymity, so if people see me that way. It is OK as it is more or less true. I wish I could be anonymous, though I imagine that will not be possible.
I wish you no harm Jay and admire your passion for this world of the "old Apollo". You challenged me and brought me home to this truth which I am sure you understand I must share. I do not relish this. However, telling people things, big things, that simply are not true as in the case with Apollo is ever so damaging to a culture. I move forward with a presentation of the facts, no poking fun any longer. We have gone well beyond that point. I pray we all find the strength to cope with the inevitable mind numbing fallout.
APOLLO'S SOLUTION
Note how rather early on after my "Lost Bird" thread was introduced that some were calling for its closure. This was reflective of anxiety on the part of official story advocates with more than a little knowledge as regards the truth. Note how there was a call to ban "fattydash" when I posted the quote from the transcript featuring Michael Collins being given coordinates of the Eagle by the CapCom. I was close there, and this created anxiety and resulted in the "tension" over the possibility of a ban. But to ban me might draw all the more attention, a problem for both sides. Let's take a look at why the tension developed.
Remember now, Michael Collins within the context of the Apollo script is not supposed to know where his colleagues are. The Eagle at this time is said to be lost. Also remember there are multiple publications of "planned landing coordinates" including
N 00 43 56 , E 23 38 51 and N 00 42 50 , E 23 42 28 . The appearance in the "historic record" of multiple planned landing coordinates reflects an effort to intentionally deceive. Here is the Apollo 11 Voice Transcript starting at 04 08 20 28;
CapCom: Roger, Mike. We got an update on the LAT longi- tude for the LM, if you're ready to copy. Over.
Collins: Go ahead. Go ahead.
CapCom: Roger. Columbia, it's plus 7 - correction, plus 0.799 for the LAT, plus 11.730 for the longitude over two. Over.
Collins: Thank you. The altitude remain unchanged?
My previous interpretation per the earlier post was incorrect. Here is the solution. It is a bit tricky.
First, longitudinal coordinates were said to be halved out of interest for accuracy. This quote explaining this is from W. David Woods informative book, "How Apollo Flew to the Moon".
It is interesting to note how longitude was handled by the software in the computers in the CSM and LM. Conventionally, longitude around a body would be expressed in the range -180 to + 180 degrees. Using the 5-digit display of the DSKY, a large longitude value could only be represented to two decimal places, e.g. + 178.62 degrees. Remembering that in this primitive computer there was no provision for the decimal point to float, we can see that all longitudes would have had to be expressed to two decimal places, and around the equator, 0.01 degree represented a third of a kilometre, an uncertainty that was much too large for Apollo. An elegant solution arrived at by the programmers was to stipulate that all longitudes would be handled by the computer after they had been divided by 2. The largest longitude values would now not exceed 90 degrees and could be expressed to three decimal places. This brought down the inherent resolution of the value to a mere 60 metres.
W. David Woods. How Apollo Flew to the Moon (Kindle Locations 3606-3612). Kindle Edition.
So the longitudinal information being communicated is half the measured longitude. Therefore the longitude of 11.730 becomes 23.46.
Also, the astronauts claim that as regards the digital display, the numbers 3 and 9 become confused. This is obviously intentional, assuming that this is not "disinformation". I will not go into details here as regards the obvious role played by CapComs in terms of "securing" the Apollo 11 transcript. It is a transcript featuring the voices of participants in the fraud only. There are no outside voices. Under these circumstances, again I will not go into details as it is not necessary now, "3s" may become "9s" and "9s" may become "3s". Here is a quote from the Apollo 11 debriefing report where the astronauts discuss this;
Aldrin: "It just came up with some garbage. Well this caused a little bit of concern because we were quite anxious to have the AGS with us for the whole flight. We were beginning to wonder whether we would or not. Let's see, there was one funny thing that I don't think we've mentioned. It was pretty minor. One of the strokes on the DEDA was not illuminated. Each character is made up of all these different strokes. The one missing was in the middle character, and it would leave you in a position where you couldn't tell whether it was a three or a nine. I didn't realize at the time that there was any room for confusion. Later, in looking at some numbers, you could not really tell whether it was a three or a nine."
If one looks at the Apollo 11 debriefing reports that have been republished by Apogee, one does not find this passage featuring Aldrin's comment about the 3/9 issue. This reflects an effort to intentionally mislead. If you look on line for this passage or look for it in the apogee books, you may well have trouble finding it if you can find it at all. Saved paper copies of the "original" may substantiate the point above. Don not lose them, the internet has being scrubbed. If you have one or more copies of the old debriefing report, hang on to it. Also, Aldrin's comment is not credible there. 3/9 confusion would be a major issue obviously. Another example where the "official story" loses contact/traction with the realities of what a genuine astronaut would think. A problem with a computer readout window would be a big problem, a gigantic problem.
From the above we have Collins informed of the lat being .799 . 3/9 confusion which is said in the debriefing report to indeed occur in this middle window. This gives lat .739. Converting that to the more familiar north coordinate
N 00 44 20. This is very close to the "preflight planned" N 00 43 56. The two latitudes differ by 24 seconds of arc which on the moon is, roughly 550 feet, less than 2 football fields.
For the longitudinal coordinate, Collins is fed the number 11.730 in the script. We double this as above and get 23.46 degrees and converting to the more familiar; E 23 27 36 we see the script has place our astronauts roughly 11 minutes of arc down range from the "planned" east/longitudinal coordinate, E 23 38 51. This converts to 3 and a half miles, consistent with the Apollo 11 official story as written in its script.
So Collins is at both one in the same time, hunting for his colleagues with his sextant AND being sent lunar coordinates informing him as to their exact whereabouts. Recall as I have pointed out in previous posts, and have supported in those posts by way of referring to statements made by Collins in his very own book, "Carrying the Fire", a book in which Collins gives a first hand not coauthored/not ghost written account of his Apollo 11 mission experience, Collins contends that there is absolutely no way the location of a lunar lander like the Eagle can be determined once landed on the moon, except by way of having astronauts such as Armstrong and Aldrin describe the local environs, and then subsequently having geologists back on earth find a place roughly matching that description based on "crude maps". I swear to God I am not making that up. I have emphasized multiple times that one should read at least the relevant section of Collin's book for oneself. Imagine oneself to be landing in Nebraska from another world for the first time and expecting your colleagues on your home planet to be able to determine your location there in the infinite sea of wheat with ANY degree of precision based on your description of some random field. Collins first asks us to accept this ludicrous assertion, and moreover accept this ludicrous assertion now and into the future in the very face of our being able to "read" for the very first time the very very secret, and nonetheless very very phony, Apollo mission coordinate code. The bird is lost, and at the same, Collins pretends to know exactly where his friends are on this phony mission, and he must do so in order to scam/fool a select few of those onlookers, the navigationally literate, the people for whom it would be utterly impossible to scam were the hoaxers to try the hopelessly untenable "lost bird" line on them. I cover this point in some detail below.
The "Lost Bird" story is the bogus story for the majority of us. And at the same time, Collins knows precisely where his friends are, 3.5 miles give or take from the proposed landing site as above. This is the story, the data guidance people see and accept as confirming what they anticipate. 2 stories, astronauts lost and astronauts so very well found!
As regards Armstrong's claims of being lost;
From the Apollo 11 voice transcript line at time 05 02 51 33
CDR We're ready to copy. (TRA_Q)
CC Roger. LMascentPAD: TIG12422000000 NOUN 76 55349 00322, plus 0017; DEDA 47, plus 37104, minus 70470, plus 58604, plus 56936. Your LM weight 10837. Your T14 126, plus 20, plus 12. Over.
CDR What figure is the crossrange and NOUN 76? (TRANQ)
CC Roger. Your crossrange for NOUN 76 - By the way, we may update this later, but now it is plus 0017. Over.
As per my previous post, 76 above refers to location. The Latitude is .55349 PLUS the cross range of .17 gives .72349 degrees north and we convert to the more familiar N 00 43 24. Again, as above, we find ourselves very close to the planned north latitude of N 00 43 56. As a matter of fact, we are only 32 seconds of arc away. That amounts to roughly 660 feet. Pretty good I would say, were it true. Remember US Geological Survey is looking for Armstrong.
For the east coordinate we have 3.22, but this is a longitude so we double it and get, 6.44 degrees. We then add to that our cross range of 17 for a total of 23.44. We then write this coordinate of Armstrong's in the more familiar E 23 26 24. Again, note we are 11 or 12 minutes of arc, three and a half miles or so give or take, downrange from the proposed/planned longitudinal/east coordinate, E 23 38 51. This was true as well in the case of the Collins' example where it was he, earlier on in the scripted voice communication document, being fed the Eagle's coordinates by the CapCom. I encourage all to do the math for yourselves. It is instructive on many levels, not the least of which to get a real spine tingling feel for a bit of detail, as regards this extraordinary scheme. Keep in mind when you do this, this is the dark heart of this scam. This is its critical feature. THE CRITICAL FEATURE! You are not supposed to be able to read these numbers. DO NOT BE AFRAID! READ THEM WITH ME!
Please note carefully, this is a point that in no way can be overemphasized, the whole fraudulent scheme is critically dependent upon having those "coded" coordinates appear in the script in such a way that you and I could never in a zillion years hope to possibly read them and at the same time, these very same coordinates must appear in that Apollo 11 script to the navigationally literate, honest scientists working on Apollo as "not coded" at all. It was ever so ever so ever so diabolical and it worked, up until now.
Time will show that the world's interpretation of Apollo was changed forever, on this day, by way of my "decoding" these numbers, numbers the lost public was never intended to find, for the CapCom's coded lunar coordinates would orient this lost public to Apollo's fraud. These numbers you and I were never intended to see in this recognizable and MEANINGFUL form, in the case of the Collin's/CapCom communication example; N 00 44 20/E 23 27 36, and in the case of the Armstrong/CapCom communication example; N 00 43 24/E 23 26 24. The numbers remaining in their coded form was the fraud's lynchpin. The numbers remaining in their coded form provided plausibility for NASA's "Lost Bird" pretense. Please note the official numbers of the alleged Eagle's alleged Tranquility Base, N 00 41 15/E 23 26 00. These later coordinates are those of the LRRR Armstrong/Aldrin were reputed to have left. But how could Armstrong possibly have left this LRRR on the surface of the moon? Each second of arc for a moon of 6783 miles diameter represents a distance of 27.6 feet. According to NASA's own communication with Neil Armstrong per the CapCom interaction he is 129 seconds of arc North of the LRRR. That would put Armstrong 3,560 feet north of the LRRR or .67 miles. As Armstrong did not have a rover, we see now that the guidance people once duped, have now been found. They now know this to be fraud because of the distance one may calculate between the LRRR which indeed is on the moon and the bogus coordinates the CapCom gives to Armstrong in this coded form from where the Eagle takes off from the moon in NASA's Apollo 11 script. For the rest of us, the non guidance people, it's in a sense easier to see the deception, see it more immediately. We really need not do the math, as we were told a whole team of US Geological Survey people were hunting for Armstrong on maps, and now we see the Apollo 11 script featured precise coordinates for the Eagle all along. We recognize the story fed us, the "Lost Bird" line, as the not so simple lie that it was, and a very big not so simple lie at that.
Of course, were this a bona fide lunar landing, we would expect the CapCom to be communicating the same coordinates to astronauts Armstrong and Collins . The features of the situation here that we are dealing with which reveal the "radio show" to be contrived and which exposes the Apollo 11 voyage as a voyage of fraudulence are Aldrin/Armstrong/Houston/Collins on the one hand claiming that the Eagle's position is not known, that the "bird is lost", and at the very same time, for the benefit of a few elite level onlookers, guidance people I would imagine, are communicating in a fashion reflective of the Eagle's coordinates being known, and known rather precisely. Keep in mind, essentially everyone believes this to be the real deal, including the very smartest scientists and technicians involved. Some of these elite level scientists/engineers/technicians need to see coordinates, or they would know the whole thing was fake. Two stories, one for the masses, you and me, and one for the few honest elite scientist/believers, navigation literate, the few people that could have read this stuff, all those crazy numbers, and read them in real time. It took me 3 months, and I am good with numbers. These elite, navigation literate participants in the Apollo 11 mission, would absolutely be looking for and would absolutely have to be shown coordinates on the evening of 07/20/1969.
In the case of bona fide lunar landings, astronauts simply would not pretend to be lost. As discussed in previous posts, it is reasonable to suggest NASA feared LUNA 15's camera, though that need not necessarily be the explanation. Regardless, we must conclude, albeit with a sense of grim reluctance, that this Apollo 11 Voice Transcript is just that, a script, dialog in a rather complex semi-live play.
With our identification of those moments where the script features precise coordinates being given to Collins and Armstrong, we confirm "Apollo" to be contrived "plot". And as regards the "script", note the feature of NASA's logistics here. Their primary document for this whole charade features only the voices of astronauts, Collins,Armstrong, Aldrin, CapComs. How convenient that no one can get a word in edgewise. Back to some coordinate housekeeping.
Note I used the 3/9 switch in the Collins' latitude example as it gave me a better result, but not using it would have worked pretty well also. My computer was tampered with as I approached "Apollo's Solution". This tampering had to do with documents referencing the 3/9 switch. So as regards the 3/9 switch, check your version of the debriefing, see if it is there. It was in an "older version" that I have. One wonders if this type of stuff is disinformation, planted to encourage people to "play" with the numbers too much and get lost. That is a complicated and interesting subject indeed. Shall we leave it for another day? Suffice it to say the 3/9 switch issue is not critical to my argument, and of course my solution stands and stands well had I not employed the 3/9 switch in the "Eagle's" coordinate decoding for the Collins/CapCom case. Do the math for yourselves, you'll see you get an acceptable result if you leave the 9 a 9 and do not change it to a three as regards the latitude coordinate originally given by the CapCom at .799. Because the computer document tampering I discovered dealt with this issue in particular, I wondered/wonder if it is not intended to get people that are moving close to "Apollo's Solution" to substitute 3/9 wildly and throw them off track when they are at the very door step. Please take a look and think for yourselves!!!!
The issue with the longitude calculations is well documented. There is no doubt this was officially endorsed as the method they used.
So Armstrong and Aldrin were pretending to be lost, but for the sake of guidance people and a few smart engineers, these "coded" references to the Eagle's lunar coordinates, needed to appear. Essentially all of the 400,000 Apollo workers thought this legit, including of course the important guidance people. If you sucker them, THAT!!!!! is what makes this type of ruse effective.
Reading the Apollo script this way, it is easy to spot some on the "inside", Charles Berry the doctor because he does not attend to his astronaut patients as he should as a genuine doctor would. The guidance guy that makes the famous "calls" of GO when the computer alarm flashes on the way down, as this is a ruse, it can only go in one direction, fake landing. It is not a real decision point, ergo, the guidance guy, that particular guy, is part of the select few.
I told my mom and a few best friends about this today as strange things happened to my computer as I got "close"
Perhaps one day there will be more to say, but I am only confused now and am a little frightened about what may occur, but what am I to do??
Best to you all. I mean no one harm, especially you Jay. You inspired me to finish. I am exhausted!
For Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins, I have always viewed you as courageous. You have my sympathy and great admiration. P