briskwalk
Mercury
BANNED (sock puppet of "fattydash")
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Post by briskwalk on Jul 17, 2011 17:39:15 GMT -4
Have followed the fattydash thing with casual curiosity. Went to voice transcript and found coordinates lat .72349 and long 23.44.
Confirmed his N 00 43 56, E 23 26 24 as correct equivalent expression. This was take off point for Eagle.
Plugged this into my astronomy software for 07/20/1969 and as he mentioned in the bird thread, earth was dark but apparent magnitude listed as -16 and so should be incredibly bright.
This cannot be a coincidence. They are hiding this intentionally from us.
Also, if you do this on your software, you should as I did see earthshine on the moon very bright. But earthshine is not seen in the moonscape photos from Apollo 11, no earthshine anywhere. If landing was real, earthshine should be obvious in many pictures.
This is why no images of earth are seen here in these moonscape photos. They don't know how to fake that. They do not want to provide a clue for earth's location and the corresponding earthshine on the moon's surface.
As crazy as it seems. Would appear the doc is right.
Try it for yourself.
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Post by tedward on Jul 17, 2011 17:51:20 GMT -4
I have an idea what may happen here but where in the scale of things is Earth shine compaered to Sun shine? Just asking.
Also what elevation would Earth be? I have not checked but it would be worth knowing.
Edit, and would you know the difference of the two combining. Meant to add that to the first bit.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 17, 2011 17:59:55 GMT -4
Have followed the fattydash thing with casual curiosity. I'm sure you have. Just out of curiousity, what is your opinion of people who try to use deception in a debate? For example, what do you think of people who create multiple aliases on a forum like this one just to create the impression that there is popular support for their ideas when really there is none?
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Post by blackstar on Jul 17, 2011 18:00:41 GMT -4
Well this answers the sockpuppet question...
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Post by carpediem on Jul 17, 2011 18:03:19 GMT -4
Well that was quick.
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Post by blackstar on Jul 17, 2011 18:08:32 GMT -4
And just illustrates how basically stupid whatever his name is, he really thought he could evade attention by doing exactly what he did the last time and speaking admiringly of his alter ego's posts. If it wasn't almost certainly a lie that he's a doctor I'd be worried for his patients.
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Post by lukepemberton on Jul 17, 2011 18:11:14 GMT -4
This cannot be a coincidence. They are hiding this intentionally from us.They? Who are they? But earthshine is not seen in the moonscape photos from Apollo 11, no earthshine anywhere. If landing was real, earthshine should be obvious in many pictures.Why should it be obvious. Please provide some numbers along with a physical explanation. This is why no images of earth are seen here in these moonscape photos. They don't know how to fake that. They do not want to provide a clue for earth's location and the corresponding earthshine on the moon's surface.Bunk. There are many photos taken from orbit and the lunar surface with the Earth clearly visible. You might also like to check the thread 'it was filmed in LEO' routine. You cannot miss it, it's right at the top of the forum. As crazy as it seems. Would appear the doc is right.No, he was very very wrong.
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Post by carpediem on Jul 17, 2011 18:42:25 GMT -4
And just illustrates how basically stupid whatever his name is, he really thought he could evade attention by doing exactly what he did the last time and speaking admiringly of his alter ego's posts. If it wasn't almost certainly a lie that he's a doctor I'd be worried for his patients. I don't think he's stupid, he must realise that his socks would be spotted, so he's just trolling the board.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 17, 2011 18:49:08 GMT -4
I think briskwalk was a diversion... an obvious sock puppet to draw my attention away from mvinson who he hoped would slip by me by pretending to be on our side.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 17, 2011 19:49:09 GMT -4
Silly, really; he gets banned permanently either way.
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Post by twik on Jul 17, 2011 23:26:21 GMT -4
A silly argument, anyway - under a blazing sun and cloudless sky, how would you even notice "earth shine"? How much does one notice moonshine when the moon is up during the day?
Don't tell me that fattydash and his host of aliases don't know the moon is often up during daylight hours. That would be embarassing.
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 17, 2011 23:37:08 GMT -4
I suppose Earthshine could be responsible for some of the fill-in light we see in the shadows, but this is undoubtedly small compared to reflected sunlight. Nonetheless, I think this may make briskwalk (fattydash) the first HB to suggest that objects in the shadows are too dark.
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Bob B.
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Post by Bob B. on Jul 17, 2011 23:46:24 GMT -4
By the way, the Sun's magnitude is -26.8, which is 21,000 times brighter the magnitude -16.
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Post by sts60 on Jul 18, 2011 0:54:46 GMT -4
Have followed the fattydash thing with casual curiosity.
All your talk about honesty and lies, and here you are, fattydash, lying via sock-puppet.
This was take off point for Eagle.
The LM you said couldn't work, then said it did work and went to the Moon, then said that it never went to the Moon.
...But earthshine is not seen in the moonscape photos from Apollo 11, no earthshine anywhere.
If landing was real, earthshine should be obvious in many pictures.
This is a silly argument - saying that one should notice Earthshine in broad lunar daylight. A moment's thought would tell you why, but that would require you to actually think about the issue.
This is why no images of earth are seen here in these moonscape photos.
There are multiple pictures of the Earth taken from the lunar surface by the Apollo crews.
They don't know how to fake that. They do not want to provide a clue for earth's location and the corresponding earthshine on the moon's surface.
The Earth's location in the lunar sky is easily found, was part of the mission planning, and in any case was shown by various images you apparently claim didn't happen but are easily found.
You really don't think before you make these claims, do you?
As crazy as it seems. Would appear the doc is right.
No one believes you're a doctor, let alone right.
I didn't care about the sock-puppet issue before. But you expressly lied during registration to sign back up using multiple SPs, after prattling on about alleged dishonesty by people you falsely claimed to respect. You're not just a misinformed layman; you're not just a liar; you're a hypocrite.
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 18, 2011 0:55:25 GMT -4
By the way, the Sun's magnitude is -26.8, which is 21,000 times brighter the magnitude -16... ...whereas a Full Moon is magnitude ~ -12, which the Earth would be only ~20-40 times brighter than.
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