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Post by LunarOrbit on Jun 1, 2005 16:38:19 GMT -4
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..." -- Isaac Newton
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 1, 2005 16:38:25 GMT -4
Hey, do you think you are speaking to an idiot?
I'm definitely speaking to someone with a very limited grasp, at best, of the physical forces involved in rocket flight, and with the engineering and methodological processes involved in creating and validating man-rated technology.
I would not venture to call you an idiot because I probably wouldn't waste my time responding to idiots. But since you raised the question, to whom are we speaking? I am familiar with the educational and employment credentials of most everyone here, and they are familiar with mine. I hold a college degree in engineering and I have been a practicing engineer in the "hard" disciplines including aerospace for a number of years.
What are your academic and professional qualifications? You have adopted a decidedly condescending tone in your challenges, which is quite inappropriate considering your audiences. In the absence of objective evidence you have offered subjective opinion which, by virtue of the indicated condescension, I understand you to intend as expert testimony. Therefore it becomes material what education and experience you have in the physical sciences.
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Post by martin on Jun 1, 2005 16:41:58 GMT -4
Hey, more intelligent people than me, many persons say Americans never went to the moon. This is true, I live in US now, so I am talking to many Americans. And no one I am meeting has ever travelled to the moon. Martin
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 1, 2005 16:45:58 GMT -4
b]Hey, more intelligent people than me, many persons say Americans never went to the moon.[/b]
I'm sure there are many more intelligent than you who say we never went to the moon. But I have searched diligently for more than five years and I haven't yet found anyone more intelligent than me who claims this. I am familiar with all the principal authors, and they all commit very grave errors of historical reporting or scientific understanding -- many of them likely deliberate.
send one spy-satellite of yours in orbit around the moon and film your uncontaminated flag.
This would be incredibly expensive and directed only at one small purpose. Further, you ignore all the evidence that has been presented to date. What makes us confident that you will not simply find some conjectural excuse to dismiss this evidence as well? You've already suggested you'll just claim it was synthesized in a computer.
You have not sufficiently explained the existing evidence, which quite unanimously points to the authenticity of Apollo. Your attempts to impeach it are ineffective because they do not properly apply logic, do not consider the totality of available evidence, and do not reflect an accurate understanding of the scientific background. Your challenge is not credible. Therefore you are in a poor position to suggest that additional evidence is required for a conclusive answer. That would be to overestimate greatly the value of your arguments.
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Post by Bob B. on Jun 1, 2005 16:52:05 GMT -4
b]Hey, more intelligent people than me, many persons say Americans never went to the moon. [/b] I'm sure there are many more intelligent than you who say we never went to the moon. But I have searched diligently for more than five years and I haven't yet found anyone more intelligent than me who claims this.[/quote] Thanks, Jay. I now have to clean my drink off the computer screen. ;D
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Post by martin on Jun 1, 2005 16:53:42 GMT -4
b]Hey, more intelligent people than me, many persons say Americans never went to the moon. [/b] I'm sure there are many more intelligent than you who say we never went to the moon. But I have searched diligently for more than five years and I haven't yet found anyone more intelligent than me who claims this.[/quote] Thanks, Jay. I now have to clean my drink off the computer screen. ;D[/quote] I have finished my drink before, but if I did not, I would have the same problem when I read this ;D Also, I am confused with my English. Is correct way to say "than me" or "than I"? Martin
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Post by unknown on Jun 1, 2005 17:06:41 GMT -4
You wrote: See... that's the problem. You've already given yourself an excuse to ignore any satellite images of the landing sites, so why should we bother? If you are just going to claim the images are fake then there is no point in investing the millions of dollars required to take those pictures. Sorry but you have not understood: I haven't said to take pictures. You must film with a Sony camcorder (not the ugly ones made in Congo used by Spirit because they jerk along) the moment when you are more and more closer to the moon and slowly you must film your flag and the moon all around (not tons of stones like Spirit on Mars). This way they will be able to understand if you have done a real film or another 3D cartoon like those made by Spirit on Mars. ;DLike this: marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/video/spirit01.html > Multimedia >Spirit on Mars >MPEG
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Post by Bob B. on Jun 1, 2005 17:13:36 GMT -4
Also, I am confused with my English. Is correct way to say "than me" or "than I"? An English major I'm not, but I'd give my vote to "than I".
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 1, 2005 17:22:35 GMT -4
Is correct way to say "than me" or "than I"?
It's almost always more correct to say "than I." But don't be too concerned because most native speakers of English say it wrong anyway.
It is correct to say, "He is smarter than I," but most Americans will say, "He is smarter than me." "Me" is the accusative form, and in most other sentences the accusative form sounds best appearing later in the sentence, even if it's incorrect. So prevalent is this misuse that those who speak correctly are occasionally regarded as overly prim and proper. You might actually sound more "native" by using the incorrect form! But in most cases the comparative properly takes the nominative form of the pronoun.
An easy way to check this is to place an appropriate verb at the end of the sentence to complete the comparison and then see whether the sentence is grammatically correct in verb-subject agreement. Thus we say, "He is smarter than I (am)." And we note that the sentence expresses the complete thought and shows unambiguously which form of the pronoun would be correct.
The simple comparatives of inequality take the nominative, and these expressions constitute the vast majority of the use of "than". And as I said, they are habitually gotten wrong.
A departure from this usage would be something like, "He gave the promotion to Bill rather than me." A qualitative preference properly takes an accusative or dative case. Again the problem here is the omission of grammatically indicative words that are considered optional in the context. The phrase expresses a dative, but the English dative does not always require the preceding "to". Compare, for example, "He gave the promotion to me," and "He gave me the promotion." Since word order can distinguish dative from accusative, we sometimes omit the grammatical helpers. A proper rendition of the ambiguous sentence would be, "He gave the promotion to Bill rather than to me." Hence again the best method for disambiguation is to complete the sentence grammatically and verify agreement.
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Post by martin on Jun 1, 2005 17:23:54 GMT -4
Also, I am confused with my English. Is correct way to say "than me" or "than I"? An English major I'm not, but I'd give my vote to "than I". I am not sure, but I think "than I" is correct way in the sentence of unknown, because it takes place of "many persons," and correct way is "I say," not "Me say." But in the sentence of JayUtah, it takes place of "anyone," and correct way is "found me" and not "found I." So I think in the sentence of JayUtah, "than me" is correct. But I do not have a very strong English. It is not an important issue, any way. Martin Edit - I did not see the post of JayUtah before, I am wrong on this issue. But now I know the correct way. Thanks for this answer
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 1, 2005 17:24:11 GMT -4
You must film with a Sony camcorder (not the ugly ones made in Congo used by Spirit because they jerk along) the moment when you are more and more closer to the moon and slowly you must film your flag and the moon all around...
Irrelevant. You will just claim that whatever we produce has been synthesized.
First give a well-reasoned challenge to the existing evidence. Then you can make demands for more.
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Post by unknown on Jun 1, 2005 17:31:39 GMT -4
Hey, do you think that film on Mars is real? ;D Then you don't understand anything about mechanics of forces and anything about faked film.
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Post by JayUtah on Jun 1, 2005 17:49:52 GMT -4
Hey, do you think that film on Mars is real?
We're not discussing Mars.
Then you don't understand anything about mechanics of forces and anything about faked film.
You have demonstrated that you are the one ignorant of mechanics (dynamics). You have yet to respond to any of my discussions of actual space vehicle dynamics in a way other than simply repeating your claims.
As to faked film, I suggest you stick with the current topic, which is space flight dynamics. I do not condone the conspiracy theorist tactic of abruptly changing the subject when cornered.
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Post by unknown on Jun 1, 2005 17:49:58 GMT -4
You wrote: "I am not sure, but I think "than I" is correct way in the sentence of unknown, because it takes place of "many persons," and correct way is "I say," not "Me say." But in the sentence of JayUtah, it takes place of "anyone," and correct way is "found me" and not "found I." So I think in the sentence of JayUtah, "than me" is correct. But I do not have a very strong English.
It is not an important issue, any way.
Martin"
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AND THEN YOU BEGIN TO SAY A LOT OF CRAPS TO MINIMIZE MY OPINIONS. FILM YOUR FLAG WITH A SONY CAMCORDER PLEASE. DEMONSTRATE YOU WENT TO THE MOON. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by unknown on Jun 1, 2005 17:56:06 GMT -4
JeyUtah wrote: As to faked film, I suggest you stick with the current topic, which is space flight dynamics. I do not condone the conspiracy theorist tactic of abruptly changing the subject when cornered.
Hey, the current topic is: "A question of credibility", not "Space flight dynamics". You don't understand, sorry but it's the truth. ;D ;D ;D See you again soon
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