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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 19, 2005 18:30:10 GMT -4
Obviously, you haven't read much of the site. They agree with your psychologist,but...ah, go and read the site and if you have arguments we shall talk.
just for your sake before you go:"Ann Landers (1) says the statement "Homosexuals are more inclined to molest children sexually than heterosexuals" is false. The American Psychological Association has sponsored a work that asserts: "Recognized researchers in the field on child abuse,... almost unanimously concur that homosexual people are actually less likely to approach children sexually." (2)
Why is it, then, that we read about sex between boys and men in every newspaper? Does it merely reflect sensationalist journalism? We know that heterosexual molestation also occurs. But since there are so many more heterosexuals than homosexuals, which kind of child molestation – homosexual or heterosexual – is proportionately more common? "
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Post by Al Johnston on Nov 19, 2005 19:17:31 GMT -4
"The Family Research Institute of Wisconsin (FRI) was founded in 1986 to evaluate our culture from a Judeo-Christian perspective and to serve as an information source for the general public, churches and policymakers of our state. Our perspective is drawn from the wisdom of Scripture and reflects what we believe to be the intent of the Creator. "
No sign of a hidden agenda there then...
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Post by lonewulf on Nov 19, 2005 19:19:53 GMT -4
Perhaps I should tell my homosexual friend that he's a murderer and a molestor waiting to happen. Let's see what he thinks of that kinda accusation.
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Post by Retrograde on Nov 19, 2005 20:43:28 GMT -4
Perhaps I should tell my homosexual friend that he's a murderer and a molestor waiting to happen. Let's see what he thinks of that kinda accusation. Well if he really is, you might not be able to share his reaction with us...
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 6:26:32 GMT -4
But Al Johnston, they built their decision on statistics, no?
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Post by lonewulf on Nov 20, 2005 12:06:34 GMT -4
Any case can be built on satistics, if you "cherry pick" your data. I'm not really interested in trying to look into if they did that, though, myself, but let's just say I remain very highly skeptical. I do not understand the claim that, just because someone is a homosexual, automatically denotes that they're A) Promiscuous, as the site proclaims (it's not true), and B) has more a tendency to violence.
It's like saying that just because I like African Americans, I automatically must like jungle animals and am a participant of bestiality. It doesn't connect, and it's based off bias.
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 12:10:13 GMT -4
If the statistics are ture, then why they are biased saying that homosexuals have a double tendency to violence. There is something we do in public health called the risk factor, and this is what they have done, I think. It is mathematical calculation, pure mathematics, that prove how much does say a medicine, increase the risk of cardio vascular disease. Are you saying that the whole public healthcalculations are wrong?
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 12:11:29 GMT -4
"The Family Research Institute of Wisconsin (FRI) was founded in 1986 to evaluate our culture from a Judeo-Christian perspective and to serve as an information source for the general public, churches and policymakers of our state. Our perspective is drawn from the wisdom of Scripture and reflects what we believe to be the intent of the Creator. " No sign of a hidden agenda there then... Why did they then, agree with the psychologist of lonewolf?
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Post by lonewulf on Nov 20, 2005 12:57:08 GMT -4
Why are they biased? They're self-admitted to be working for a religious cause, and working "from the bible".
Show me a single site set up by scientists or governmental statistics that shows it. Not someone pushing a religious agenda. Especially not someone trying to push a religious agenda into politics, and want to get the government to tell people what they can and can't be.
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 13:25:27 GMT -4
www.narth.com/menus/cstudies.htmlI have this for now. once they want it treated, they consider it not normal and they state this actually. Didn't read it all, however. quote: "CONCLUSIONS: Findings support recent evidence suggesting that gay, lesbian, and bisexual young people are at increased risk of mental health problems, with these associations being particularly evident for measures of suicidal behavior and multiple disorder" from www.narth.com/docs/instability.html
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Post by Al Johnston on Nov 20, 2005 16:47:03 GMT -4
Any decent statistics course will emphasise the GIGO factor:
Garbage In Garbage Out: if the sampling is unrepresentative, the results won't mean diddly...
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 17:21:45 GMT -4
And if they are representative? Now, why do you think everyone is conspiring on homosexuals. I have brought you another site as you requested
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Post by Al Johnston on Nov 20, 2005 17:31:14 GMT -4
Who's conspiring?
Some of us find homophobia as distasteful as sexism or racism.
As a female Lebanese muslim, you wouldn't like me implying that you must therefore be much more likely to be a potential suicide bomber than any of the rest of us, would you?
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Post by lordoftherings on Nov 20, 2005 17:34:42 GMT -4
And if I am , I say if, a sufi who interprets Islam differently than Muslims and I see that suicide bombers are wrong? i.e if I see people who are fanatic truly more likely to be violent?
That homophobia is surely justified, if homosexuals have tendency to violence more than others.
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Post by lonewulf on Nov 20, 2005 21:10:46 GMT -4
And if a homosexual says that he's a homosexual without urges to rape small boys, and doesn't have the urge to harm or kill others? That he lives a nice peaceful life, and just wants to be left alone, and for people to not judge him just because his partner is also male?
Maybe I should try to "cure" you of your religious convictions, if statistics show that Muslims have a higher rate of being suicide bombers than Christians, right?
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