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Post by Count Zero on Jul 15, 2005 0:06:41 GMT -4
I've only heard from joe on the still from page 10 (ignore the "auto leveled" version for arguments sake). The object is most definitely in motion in the video clip. We already established, in my 2nd post on page 9, that the video record does not have background objects from which to infer any motion of the antenna.
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 15, 2005 0:10:00 GMT -4
Where is the reflective "gold foil" below the dark area? You're kidding, right?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 15, 2005 0:17:11 GMT -4
What do you mean? All I see below the arrows IS gold foil.
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Post by Data Cable on Jul 15, 2005 0:36:14 GMT -4
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Post by turbonium on Jul 15, 2005 0:48:44 GMT -4
Quote: "What do you mean? All I see below the arrows IS gold foil"
Why do I feel like I'm in the Monty Python "dead parrot" sketch?
("No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!")
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Post by turbonium on Jul 15, 2005 0:51:28 GMT -4
Please indicate foil with your "RIGHT HERE" stamp, please!
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Post by turbonium on Jul 15, 2005 1:05:23 GMT -4
Maybe because nothing is reflective and gold?
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 15, 2005 1:09:23 GMT -4
Yes, I knew WHERE you meant... but I do see gold foil there. It's as plain as day! The fact that you don't see it is truly bizarre.
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 15, 2005 1:52:23 GMT -4
I was basically just wondering what the astronauts were doing at the time you see "the arm". I figured they would be talking about their tasks, and if they were doing something with the S-band antenna they would have mentioned it. 115:52:02 - Pete starts working on setting up the antenna. 115:54:34 to 48 - Pete finds a site to set it up. 115:56:11 - Pete has trouble deploying the mast. 115:57:26 - Pete is deploying the legs. 115:58:21 - Al picks up the TV camera and starts moving. Meanwhile, Pete is looking for the Earth to get the still-furled antenna pointed in the right direction. The antenna comes into view for ~7 frames, then the camera points towards the ground. 2-3 seconds later the antenna mast comes back into the picture for 4 frames; then Al points the camera at the Sun. The image saturates. 115:58:41 - Just as Al says, "Here is the TV. And it's pointing toward the Sun. That's bad." the vidicon tube burns-out. 116:00:02 - Pete announces he's ready to deploy the antenna. 116:01:14 - Pete laughs as the antenna deploys. As a clarification to my previous posts, it is possible that Pete is moving the antenna to line it up at the time it comes into the camera's view. However, in the absence of a background there is know way to gauge such motion. Also, Conrad is not visible near the antenna. He would have had to have been >3 feet to the left of it to have avoided having his head in the frame. He may have taken a couple of steps back from the tall antenna while he looked for the Earth.
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Post by Data Cable on Jul 15, 2005 2:29:06 GMT -4
Please indicate foil with your "RIGHT HERE" stamp, please! Gladly:
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 15, 2005 2:31:15 GMT -4
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Post by turbonium on Jul 15, 2005 2:39:13 GMT -4
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Post by Count Zero on Jul 15, 2005 2:49:51 GMT -4
Probably. It's in the right location.
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Post by turbonium on Sept 22, 2005 2:10:52 GMT -4
I decided to raise a point regarding the Apollo 12 video clip previously unmentioned. The area below the "black shade" is being claimed to be the "gold foil" area of the lem. The movement in this area has been claimed to be solely from the movement of the camera. In other words, there should be no movement in this area itself. I have posted below three frames from the DVD, which show a varying distance between the bottom edge of the shade and the object below it (pointed to by the red arrows). The yellow lines indicate the bottom edge of the shade. In the first frame, there is space between the edge and the object, indicated by the yellow arrow. But, the edge is touching the top of the object in frame 2, and even overlapping the object in frame 3. If this was due solely to camera movement, the relative distance between the bottom edge of the shade and the object should not change.
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Post by nomuse on Sept 22, 2005 2:47:50 GMT -4
What?
I'm sorry. All I see is some really, really blurry c*** of some over-processed bit of something out of context. I haven't the faintest idea what I am looking at.
I can't even figure out why you are moving the yellow line in relation to the VERY arbitraty demarcation between grey-and-smudgy part and gold-and-crinkly part. As far as I can see, the blend between those two areas stays more-or-less the same -- although the whole frame drops, of course. The shapes of what I assume are reflections are moving/changing throughout this sequence you've presented. Or, at least, the aliasing and compression of the shapes changes; again, this is an extreme blow-up, close to the pixel level. These changes, if they exist, are perilously close to the noise floor.
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