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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 17:04:09 GMT -4
Because being moved by a rig is the only way that a human being could move in the manner shown...
Why? You're just begging a different question now.
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Post by margamatix on Jul 25, 2005 17:10:01 GMT -4
Well, lets just leave it at this.............
I published the url of the footage and so its there for anyone to view and judge for themselves.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 17:13:40 GMT -4
No. You published a URL to a horribly compressed, horribly shrunken 10-second excerpt from a much longer, much clearer set of footage. Your URL is not sufficient to allow someone to locate your clip in better-preserved footage.
The prone astronaut is using his crewmate for leverage. That explains his motion.
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Post by margamatix on Jul 25, 2005 17:19:48 GMT -4
Your URL is not sufficient to allow someone to locate your clip in better-preserved footage. Ok, well I'm quite prepared to accept that- can you give me the url of the better-preserved footage?
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 17:22:57 GMT -4
No, not until you tell me where in the mission it comes from. That's how the better footage is indexed. If you can't tell me where your little clip comes from in the mission (i.e., the Ground-Elapsed Time) then I'll have to look through about 20 hours of video in order to find it. I suggest you complain to "Cosmic" Dave Cosnette for his deplorable lack of documentation. But it won't do any good. "Cosmic" Dave doesn't want you looking at better footage of his claims, because in other cases the clearer video shows that his claims are false. He wants to keep the evidence obscure and undocumented.
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Post by margamatix on Jul 25, 2005 17:32:42 GMT -4
Cosmic" Dave doesn't want you looking at better footage of his claims, Surely NASA publish it?
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Post by TaeKwonDan on Jul 25, 2005 17:35:55 GMT -4
Cosmic" Dave doesn't want you looking at better footage of his claims, Surely NASA publish it? Which is Jay's point. They did. In a 20 hour chunk of mission footage which we have no index for figuring out where the footage came from other than watching it.
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Post by ajv on Jul 25, 2005 17:39:51 GMT -4
The Apollo 16 clip comes from Station 8: GET 147:32:34. On the original version of the SpacecraftFilms DVD set it occurs at about 0:47 in the Station 8 chapter.
Duke is on the ground. Young offers his right hand. Duke takes it in his left.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 17:40:38 GMT -4
Surely NASA publish it?
Of course NASA publishes it. They publish all the footage from Apollo 16 -- several hours' worth -- indexed by the GET.
As has been said to you, the Apollo television footage didn't originally exist in neat little 30-second clips. It was hours upon hours at a time. There is a lot of it.
Dave Cosnette has set it up so that if you want higher quality footage, you have to look for the needle in the haystack. He knows the GET index for the footage, but he won't tell anyone because then they'd be able to see through his obfuscation and prove him wrong.
It's the common trick of conspiracy theorists to hide their sources so that no one can check up on them.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 17:53:19 GMT -4
The Apollo 16 clip comes from Station 8: GET 147:32:34.
Ah, yes. That's the location. Excellent work!
With the dialogue restored ("Push on my hand," etc.) it is quite clear what's going on.
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Post by margamatix on Jul 25, 2005 17:54:42 GMT -4
The Apollo 16 clip comes from Station 8: GET 147:32:34. On the original version of the SpacecraftFilms DVD set it occurs at about 0:47 in the Station 8 chapter. Duke is on the ground. Young offers his right hand. Duke takes it in his left. Thanks. I expect we'll see it online very soon.
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 18:20:06 GMT -4
It's been online for years. It just takes a proper index to find it among all the other materials online. This online version isn't especially high-quality either. The DVD is much better and clearly shows the "textbook" righting manuever. www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/a16v.1473136.ram
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 25, 2005 22:36:40 GMT -4
margamatix:
Are we to assume that every grain of lunar dirt that gets kicked up by the astronauts is also suspended by an invisible cable?
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Post by JayUtah on Jul 25, 2005 23:30:18 GMT -4
Lunar Orbit is right. If you spend ten or twelve hours (yes, most of us have done it on more than one occasion) looking at lunar video, you see the astronauts drop things, kick up dust, etc. and do things that just can't be practically accomplished with wire suspension.
By day I'm a mild-mannered engineer. By night (well, some nights anyway) I do theatrical and other artistic stuff. Some of that involves wire suspension, including our production of Ragtime that includes a flying Houdini. One of these days I'll post pictures of our flyrig. It just doesn't work the way you think it does.
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Post by PeterB on Jul 26, 2005 1:56:00 GMT -4
Margamatix Why not visit www.apolloarchive.com and look at all the video clips there. You can watch Dave Scott trip over a rock or drop a feather and a hammer, Alan Shepherd and Ed Mitchell put a flag together, or Charlie Duke lose his balance on a penetrometer.
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