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Post by gwiz on Sept 11, 2006 9:10:03 GMT -4
There's a lively Apollo hoax debate going on at the unexplained mysteries forum. I particularly like this post, with the new claim that it must be a hoax because lunar mountains cast long shadows. The unexplained mystery here is what stephen84 was doing when he should have been in school learning geometry.
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Post by nomuse on Sept 11, 2006 17:08:09 GMT -4
What I find interesting is the last couple of internet polls....at places like Unexplained Mysteries, even...seem to show the majority of posters accepting the Moon Landings as real.
Of course, in the die-hard CT circles they are never wrong...they just decide the question was never really that important.. You will never hear from them "Yes, I was wrong about Apollo" -- what you will hear is "Whatever, who cares. You NASA shills are all liars anyhow. Now, about those levies being blown up..."
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Post by nomuse on Sept 11, 2006 17:34:12 GMT -4
Oh, please tell me someone is saving some of these for posterior...for posterity!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 11, 2006 19:17:29 GMT -4
I live near a mountain and used to drive through its shadow even evening returning home from work. The road was a distance of about 10 km from the mountain.
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Post by sts60 on Sept 12, 2006 10:25:16 GMT -4
Oh, please tell me someone is saving some of these for posterior...for posterity! I guess he's never heard of occultation timing, which is routinely performed by amateurs on Earth. I did one myself. You get a time source (e.g., WWV on the radio) and note when a star or planet appears and disappears behind the lunar mountains - i.e., when you are shadowed by those mountains.
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Post by hplasm on Sept 13, 2006 10:06:21 GMT -4
There's a lively Apollo hoax debate going on at the unexplained mysteries forum. I particularly like this post, with the new claim that it must be a hoax because lunar mountains cast long shadows. The unexplained mystery here is what stephen84 was doing when he should have been in school learning geometry. There's an even more lively one on there now... AGNFuel and Datacable- I've used a photo from one of your posts...yes- it's non-parallel shadows.... hope you don't mind ( not sure who posted it first- let me know if it needs linking/unlinking or whatever )
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Post by Bob B. on Sept 13, 2006 10:44:17 GMT -4
I guess he's never heard of occultation timing, which is routinely performed by amateurs on Earth. I did one myself. You get a time source (e.g., WWV on the radio) and note when a star or planet appears and disappears behind the lunar mountains - i.e., when you are shadowed by those mountains. I use to observe grazing occultations with several astronomy friends when I lived in Alabama. These occur when a star grazes along the limb of the Moon and will disappear and reappear several times within a few minutes as the lunar mountain peaks and valleys pass in front of the star. They are a lot of fun but take some time to prepare because the graze path has to be plotted and observing sites scouted out. We did it in the days before GPS was really accurate, so we had to ascertain our position using USGS maps. We'd string out several observers perpendicular to the graze path to get a range of data. Ideally, the person on one end would have a miss, the person on the other end would get a single occultation, and the people in the middle would observe multiple events. It rarely worked out that well though because there was always some uncertainty in the predicted path. When we got good results we could analysis the data and plot a profile of the mountains. We'd then submit a report to IOTA (International Occultation Timing Association).
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Post by Data Cable on Sept 13, 2006 10:58:56 GMT -4
AGNFuel and Datacable- I've used a photo from one of your posts...[...]hope you don't mind ( not sure who posted it first- let me know if it needs linking/unlinking or whatever ) It's AGN's photo, I'm just hosting it on my webspace. As far as I'm concerned, you can use it all you want (I'm not charged for bandwidth) and I doubt he'd mind it used in this context, though I won't put words in his mouth.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 13, 2006 11:51:19 GMT -4
We'd then submit a report to IOTA (International Occultation Timing Association).That’s a new one for me. I guess there is an organization for almost everything of interest. Maybe we should start a group to collect the timing and magnitude of hoax believer activity?
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Post by hplasm on Sept 13, 2006 12:35:54 GMT -4
AGNFuel and Datacable- I've used a photo from one of your posts...[...]hope you don't mind ( not sure who posted it first- let me know if it needs linking/unlinking or whatever ) It's AGN's photo, I'm just hosting it on my webspace. As far as I'm concerned, you can use it all you want (I'm not charged for bandwidth) and I doubt he'd mind it used in this context, though I won't put words in his mouth. Thanks!
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Post by tofu on Sept 19, 2006 10:07:07 GMT -4
I live near a mountain and used to drive through its shadow even evening returning home from work. The road was a distance of about 10 km from the mountain. Well, you're obviously lying because as stephen84 pointed out here: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72159&st=2976Oh and by the way, I live very close to some very huge mountains(i live in alaska), and no, they dont cast shadows miles long.
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Post by hplasm on Sept 19, 2006 14:48:22 GMT -4
I live near a mountain and used to drive through its shadow even evening returning home from work. The road was a distance of about 10 km from the mountain. Well, you're obviously lying because as stephen84 pointed out here: www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72159&st=2976Oh and by the way, I live very close to some very huge mountains(i live in alaska), and no, they dont cast shadows miles long.The very laws of physics are under constant revision on there now- particularly shadows! It's like StarTrek NG! ;D
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Post by nomuse on Sept 19, 2006 17:38:05 GMT -4
Am I the only one who is catching a whiff of IDW here? Maybe Kilter and he were roommates. The arrogance, the carefully unspecified degrees and credentials, the imaginary physics...
Whoops. Sorry, drifting towards ad hom there. Still, I am particularly liking the way he manages to light a scene of two astronauts and some lunar surface by using one source set at some arbitrarily close distance, and explains how this can possibly work by claiming that optics is so vastly complicated that no poster but he has any chance of understanding it.
My photometrics handbook disagrees.
Look, the film world is a place where things need to move quick and be right the first time. Even more so than stage, film lighting must be a world where empiricism rules. You don't want to be playing around with advanced concepts in optics for every shot; you want to send out that best boy electrician, run the stingers, and get those lights up so they can roll film.
So it rings far from true to me that a team capable of hoaxing the entire Apollo record would take risks and waste time being clever. I've said this before; get me one 4K HMI that I can set up at the far end of the sound stage and I'm happy. If you really must, a couple of inkies with extra-extra-extra diffusion (to wash out those tell-tale shadows) just to bring out a detail or two that might otherwise get missed.
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Post by hplasm on Sept 19, 2006 18:41:35 GMT -4
Am I the only one who is catching a whiff of IDW here? Maybe Kilter and he were roommates. The arrogance, the carefully unspecified degrees and credentials, the imaginary physics... Whoops. Sorry, drifting towards ad hom there. Still, I am particularly liking the way he manages to light a scene of two astronauts and some lunar surface by using one source set at some arbitrarily close distance, and explains how this can possibly work by claiming that optics is so vastly complicated that no poster but he has any chance of understanding it. My photometrics handbook disagrees. Look, the film world is a place where things need to move quick and be right the first time. Even more so than stage, film lighting must be a world where empiricism rules. You don't want to be playing around with advanced concepts in optics for every shot; you want to send out that best boy electrician, run the stingers, and get those lights up so they can roll film. So it rings far from true to me that a team capable of hoaxing the entire Apollo record would take risks and waste time being clever. I've said this before; get me one 4K HMI that I can set up at the far end of the sound stage and I'm happy. If you really must, a couple of inkies with extra-extra-extra diffusion (to wash out those tell-tale shadows) just to bring out a detail or two that might otherwise get missed. Thanks for throwing some light on the subject. *ducks* *ow!* ;D
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 19, 2006 19:01:18 GMT -4
Oh and by the way, I live very close to some very huge mountains(i live in alaska), and no, they dont cast shadows miles long.
What does he think that you are standing in when the sun drops below the peak?
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