reynoldbot
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A paper-white mask of evil.
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Post by reynoldbot on Dec 1, 2006 11:26:08 GMT -4
I remember once a while ago I tried to think of some solutions for this. Solutions are difficult to come up with because no matter what you do, it's really up to the HB whether they respond to the argument or not. I think my suggestion was to try and organize the rebuttals so that only one argument is being presented at a time. When 11 different people are making 11 different arguments, I don't blame the HB's for cherrypicking the ones they want to debate. Of course, organizing responses would be next to impossible and many things that in their right should probably be brought up might never get their chance.
That being said, most HB's could do a hell of a lot better at intelligent debate.
Sorry, threadjack over.
My parents are both geologists. If they examined the apollo samples and concluded them to be legitimate, would that make them "in on it"? Or would they have been duped? Because, as we all know, a hard and analytical science like geology is so easy to fake.
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 1, 2006 18:38:24 GMT -4
The problem with this format of debate is that 3onthetree can pick and choose whatever arguments to debate he or she wants and evade the others. I think some of the better arguments being made are being evaded by 3onthetree. I don't see where the evasion from my part is. I still don't know the answer to my second question. I got one "yes" they took Television footage of Earth answer when the question was from the Lunar surface, told to look it up and some opinions on my motives and character. Ask me a question, I'll answer it to the best of my ability. ;D
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Post by AtomicDog on Dec 1, 2006 18:43:04 GMT -4
The problem with this format of debate is that 3onthetree can pick and choose whatever arguments to debate he or she wants and evade the others. I think some of the better arguments being made are being evaded by 3onthetree. I don't see where the evasion from my part is. I still don't know the answer to my second question. I got one "yes" they took Television footage of Earth answer when the question was from the Lunar surface, told to look it up and some opinions on my motives and character. Ask me a question, I'll answer it to the best of my ability. ;D Did you look it up? what have you found? More to the point, what is video of the Earth from the Moon evidence or not evidence of?
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 1, 2006 18:46:05 GMT -4
Nothing yet. That's where blokes like Phantowolf are handy.
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Post by AtomicDog on Dec 1, 2006 18:49:44 GMT -4
I repeat: What is video of the Earth from the Moon evidence or not evidence of?
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 1, 2006 19:02:22 GMT -4
I repeat: What is video of the Earth from the Moon evidence or not evidence of? I responded to your original unedited question so there is no need to pretend you're repeating anything. Video of the Earth from the lunar surface recorded from a live Television source would be pretty good evidence of the Astronauts being where they were when they were. If the Earth in the footage was lit by the one light source at the one time.
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Post by AtomicDog on Dec 1, 2006 19:05:22 GMT -4
So if I show you footage of the Earth from the Moon you will admit the astronauts were there? Or at least that it ts strong evidence?
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 1, 2006 19:13:37 GMT -4
So if I show you footage of the Earth from the Moon you will admit the astronauts were there? Or at least that it ts strong evidence? Yes, why not? I will even say thankyou.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Dec 1, 2006 20:39:17 GMT -4
I suggest that you look up Apollo 16. I can't provide a link for you because I found it some time ago on a CD-ROM, but there is one section, I believe from the first EVA, in which the TV camera on the rover pans up to show the Earth.
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Post by AtomicDog on Dec 2, 2006 1:50:34 GMT -4
So if I show you footage of the Earth from the Moon you will admit the astronauts were there? Or at least that it ts strong evidence? Yes, why not? I will even say thankyou. Here you go. From Apollo 16: www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/a16v.1251904.rmFrom the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal: 125:21:33 England: Hey, fellows, we're able to see the Earth with your big eye there.
125:21:39 Duke: How about that. Pretty sight, isn't it?
125:21:43 England: Sure is. Man, that's weird.
[Fendell zooms in on Earth and, at maximum zoom, it covers about one quarter of the horizontal width of the field-of-view. The Earth's angular diameter from the Moon is about 2 degrees and, consequently, the field-of-view is about 8 degrees wide. A bit more than half of the disk of the Earth is in shadow and, on the sunlit portion, the blue of the oceans can be seen.]
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Post by 3onthetree on Dec 2, 2006 5:10:01 GMT -4
Thankyou.
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Post by AtomicDog on Dec 2, 2006 11:05:47 GMT -4
You're welcome. There was lunar surface video of Earth from Apollo 15, too, but 16's was of a far better quality.
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Post by BertL on Dec 2, 2006 11:22:10 GMT -4
So, convinced now?
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Post by Count Zero on Dec 2, 2006 11:35:04 GMT -4
Like the Changing of the Guard at Buckingham Palace, so comes the Moving of the Goalposts...
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Post by dwight on Dec 2, 2006 13:27:25 GMT -4
The three RCA camera missions (15, 16 & 17) all featured views of earth from the rover at various points in the mission. Ed Fendell would have simply had to pan the camera along the transmitter dish and the earth would be easy to find.
Not related to TV, the photos I find really fascinating are the telehpotos ones taken of the LM from several km away. Really shows the perspective errors one can made especially on the mountain range at Hadley or Taurus Littrow.
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