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Post by wadefrazier3 on Oct 13, 2011 9:54:53 GMT -4
Hi all: Yes Jay, I will be putting that issue to rest on you and Brian. As you know, Brian still vacillated on the issue over the years. I myself thought that I convinced him that the chance of faked moon landings was so remote as to be not worth even considering: www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governorto only watch him still in maybe/maybe-not land just before he died. His “final word” on the subject: www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm#statementended up being just that, as it turns out. I will be trying to get it hosted someplace where it can stand as his last word on the subject. I understand his position, although I was frustrated by it, myself, but it was the honest Brian that I always knew. He sure regretted those ten seconds that ended up on that FOX show. Thanks obviousman and photbuster9. Yes, Brian was a great, great man, and I will miss him greatly. I am working on an essay on Brian, that will be partly biographical, partly reminiscences, and partly about his life’s work. There will be a section on the moon landings controversy. I plan to clear it with his family first, but I’ll say this: Brian survived what was likely a murder attempt by the American military over the UFO issue (the military is up to its eyeballs in the issue, all of its disinfo aside). That event shaped his perceptions about the moon landings and similar issues. He was not just being a “free thinker.” I am trying to get it done before the Thrive premier: thrivemovement.com/Gotta run to work now. Best, Wade April 7, 2012: Hi: I did not see where I could make a new post, so I am updating this one. Hi: After months of unsuccessful attempts to obtain permission from Brian’s family to publish an essay on Brian O’Leary that included some specifics on what Brian believed was an attempt on his life, I decided to remove the identifying information (I would never name the perpetrators, but I was giving specifics that people could check out for themselves) and publish the essay: www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htmI have not linked to it from my home page yet, but I consider the essay published with an Avalon Forum post. projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=462969&viewfull=1#post462969 I intended to disclose that alleged murder attempt to help sober up those who are thinking of playing the game that I play. It is a rough road, and if I ever took my show on the road, I would be risking my life, in several ways. I have no desire to field death threats and murder attempts, and it comes with that territory. I will say that the alleged murder attempt that Brian survived was related to public events that he helped organize and participate in. I included the moon hoax issue, and what I know about Brian and Jay, and I hope it puts the matter to rest. I still have some more legacy work to do regarding Brian, and we will see how it goes. Best, Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Oct 3, 2011 8:45:22 GMT -4
Hi:
As many of you know, Brian died in July. I am wrapping up some legacy stuff for Brian, and this moon hoax landing stuff will one of those issues. He did not want to be remembered as the astronaut who doubted that we went to the moon. I will have more to say at the end of the year.
Best,
Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Mar 18, 2011 1:25:32 GMT -4
This went far afield. If nobody has any suggestions where it can be posted, thanks anyway. I contacted the astronaut corps directly and will spend some more “capital” to try to find someplace that will host it. A Wikipedia “editor” already erased Brian’s final statement reference, and this is going to be another one of those long, thankless slogs. And like when I got Brian’s bio published, the most gracious people I have encountered on this quest so far have been the astronauts themselves. OK, Richard Rather, AKA Count Zero, sorry if you feel condescended to, but you were skating on thin ice. I am very, very tired of the “white science” folks thinking that fringe science is the province of “conspiracy theory nuts” and the like. It is crazily dangerous business, especially when you begin playing the free energy game, as one of my recent interviewers noted (about 14 minutes into this segment): www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3ZOkbhfeJUJay has seen the “white science” part of Lawrence Livermore. Mark stumbled into the “black science” part of that world long ago: www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread392968/pg7He is one of Brian’s buddies, and Mark got the “gentle” treatment. I had a NASA pal do some digging into Mark’s Lawrence story, and he was able to confirm it with one of Mark’s mentors at that facility back then, who happens to be a fairly famous scientist. Others have received far worse treatment. Mark got off easy. That was kind of strange that I posted something from people pretty close to Mallove: www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#malloveto watch this thread go off on all sorts of tangents. Mallove’s murder spurred Brian to move to South America, and sadly I understood. Brian has suffered greatly for sticking his neck out there. You can see in this video where he mentions some of what he has survived, and will not name names, because they are still around. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp_0V127eUI think it is in the second half of that clip. If I outlive Brian, or he outlives his persecutors, maybe you will hear more about it in detail, but playing at the level that Brian does is life risking behavior. The moon hoax issue is really small potatoes, compared to the other issues he is taking on. Richard, my interest in this issue is partly because my father worked in Mission Control during the Space Race: www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#olearyI do not need to reminded of what a feat it was. I heard it plenty growing up. However, I also know that rockets and the like are Stone Age relics compared to the good stuff: www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#undergroundThere is no “theory” about it, although most are in denial of it, and you and I will never get invited to that show. You have to play at levels where you should have been dead several times over, showing great courage and integrity, to get invited to one of those. Brian is well aware of the reality of that stuff, and it is another reason why the moon landings do not hold as much interest to him as it does to the people of this forum (or me – unlike Brian, I spent a fair amount of time looking at the evidence). For the record, I introduced Jay to Brian, but was not privy to their exchanges other than when Jay originally reported what Brian had to say, www.clavius.org/oleary.htmlit squared with my understanding of where Brian’s head was back then. As far as me convincing Brian to come back to the Moon Hoax fray – that is not going to happen. I had my chance back in 2001, when he was duly impressed with Armstrong’s Leap and also told Jay so: www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#governorI know that Brian, saint that he is, took on all comers until his most recent heart attack, and he was bombarded on the issue mercilessly. I got approached by all manner of people back in 2001/2002 myself (before I stopped interacting with the public), with all sorts of people trying to drag me into HoaxLand. I can only imagine what Brian has been through. Also, for the record, Richard’s “consented to an interview in which he was asked to give his informed opinion” is a bit of a stretch. As you can read on Jay’s site: www.clavius.org/oleary.htmlBrian allowed himself to be interviewed for what he thought was going to be his opinion on Cydonia. The interview did not turn out as advertised, and ten seconds of a two-hour interview were used out of context, making Brian the center of that firestorm ever since. As Brian told me in 2001, they “ambushed him” with a camera crew. I cannot say all the things that Brian is facing, but his final statement is going to be his final statement on the issue, an issue that he regrets ever getting involved in, not because anything that he said is wrong or off base, but partly because of how this issue is defining his public persona. Would it take Brian that long to get satisfied that the moon hoax arguments and evidence are pretty weak, when you drill down into them? I doubt it, but it takes a bit. Also, as was mentioned in this thread, only twelve people know for sure, and they are not all alive. Brian helped get Buzz Aldrin a job once and shared an office with him, so we can say that Brian has been pretty close to the situation, and none of us are going to take him closer. Also, Brian is highly aware that NASA and the space establishment is not telling the public the truth about UFOs, ETs and other matters that are way, way more important than if we landed on the moon or not. Brian and I have not talked real deeply about it, in all the details, but I know enough to know how trivial the moon landing issue is to Brian. In another, yet-to-be-published interview with those same guys, I stated that when I described to Brian, long ago, about that underground show that one of my pals got: www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#undergroundBrian’s response was, “Oh, he got a show from the spooks.” I might as well have been telling Brian about how the sun comes up every day or how seeds can turn into trees, that is how unremarkable my friend’s show was, when people begin playing at the high levels. Anyway, that is enough for one night. I doubt that I will be responding much on this thread on this issue, unless somebody has an idea where I can publish Brian’s final word. Best, Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Mar 9, 2011 0:11:20 GMT -4
Hi Count Zero: You are entitled to your disappointment, and I have mixed feeling about this whole issue. Brian regrets ever getting involved with it, as he states. But somebody who does not even use their real name does not get to credibly challenge Brian’s courage. How many murder attempts have you survived because you put your butt out there publicly, where it could get shot off? Most playing at Brian’s level have survived at least one, if they survived at all: www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#mallovewww.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#tacticsBrian had to agree to be willing go to Mars in his astronaut interview: www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm#marsCourage he has, in spades. I have some understanding of why he has taken the position that he has on the moon landings. I am not happy about it, but I respect it. Best, Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Mar 8, 2011 12:54:39 GMT -4
Hi: I suspected that it would happen. The most active edits to Brian’s Wikipedia bio have been regarding the moon hoax issue. I originally produced the language that was already there, and put it in the “frontiers of science” section of his bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27Leary#The_Frontiers_of_ScienceOne of the first changes that an editor made was to give the moon hoax issue its own section. Sigh. Then another editor wiped out the reference to Clavius, citing Jay’s evidence as a “poorly sourced allegation.” I did not want to engage in edit wars, and asked Brian what to do. He read the Clavius page and decided to make his “final word” on the moon landings issue: www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm#statementI can’t link to my site from Wikipedia, as it would be even more “poorly sourced” than Jay’s site, although both sites have been linked from Wikipedia on other issues. So, I am looking for a place that will publish Brian’s “final statement” that the “editors” will not dismiss. The editors might even deny Brian’s final statement because it is a first person statement, even though the entire moon hoax issue, regarding Brian, is about what he thinks. I have had plenty of crazy interaction with Wikipedia before: www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htmso I am not looking forward to this chore. If anybody has any suggestions where I can get Brian’s “last statement” published where it cannot be easily dismissed by Wikipedia “editors,” I will gratefully take it. Thanks, Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Dec 24, 2010 11:36:44 GMT -4
Thanks, Obviousman, for always helping to make me feel welcome here.
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Dec 23, 2010 20:16:40 GMT -4
Hi: I recently put up the second and probably final part of my Brian O’Leary biography project, which is his Wikipedia bio: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_O%27LearyAlthough Brian would rather not get drug into the moon hoax issue anymore, I knew that it would be an enduring issue, as far as his public persona was involved, and the moon hoax part of the Wikipedia bio I did not change from how it was originally written. But today, as I was giving the bio another review, I felt that there should be some reference to Brian’s final statement on the matter, and I knew of no better reference than Clavius’s account: www.clavius.org/oleary.htmlso I made the reference to it in both the Wikipedia bio and the bio that is on my site www.ahealedplanet.net/brianbio.htm(which contains information that would probably not fly on Wikipedia, and some that shouldn’t). Although there was some controversy not long ago about Brian making those statements to Jay, I put them in contact, and what Jay reported is consistent with how Brian felt back in 2001. Brian may always say that he can’t be 100% sure that astronauts walked on the moon, because he did not go there himself, and that is a reasonable position, to take, IMO. I am glad that Clavius is still around, so I could make that link to it. Happy Holidays, Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on May 8, 2010 10:02:20 GMT -4
Well, that took about a year, from the beginning of the process to publication: www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/oleary-bt.htmlI write publicly about the adventure a little here: www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#bioThere has already been exception taken to Brian’s given reason for leaving the astronaut program, but he was partly following the lead of fellow Excess-11 astronaut Chapman: www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/chapman-pk.htmland what he wrote is technically true. He could not have discussed all of his reasons for leaving the astronaut program in that short bio. In his The Making of an Ex-Astronaut, the reason given to Deke Slayton and the public was that he did not like flying. It made for an easy reason to give the public (and Brian even became a game show answer to: “Who said ‘Flying is not my cup of tea?’”), but the reality was a bit more complicated. I am going to do battle with Wikipedia’s editors on Brian’s bio later this year, oh the joy: www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htm
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Dec 18, 2009 9:16:18 GMT -4
Brian’s NASA bio is now in at least one place in cyberspace: www.brianoleary.info/Astronaut.htmNASA is well aware of the situation of Brian’s bio. We’ll see what happens on their end, if anything.
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Oct 14, 2009 8:56:10 GMT -4
Hi:
I submitted Brian's bio to NASA a month ago today, and not a peep back yet. Strange that Laurel would get a quick response on why Brian’s bio was not on NASA's site, and my submission of Brian's bio (with an invite to get Brian into the loop, to get the bureaucracy part handled) goes unanswered. If anybody has a better email address than the one on NASA's site, I'll take it (private message works fine).
Thx,
Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Oct 4, 2009 14:26:52 GMT -4
I hope to re-edit my site one day, which will include the Apollo section, and I may change my phrasing a little, but word-parsing my flying bedstead presentation right now has little interest for me.
I can’t recall what forum it was in, but years ago, somebody took to task my statement of throwing the wrong switch during Apollo 10, causing the LM to spin wildly. My point was how vulnerable the missions were to human error. The rebuttal to my writings was that the pilot threw the right switch, according to the manual, but the manual was wrong, so he really threw the wrong switch, but not because of pilot error, but due to manual-writer error. What a quibble.
So Armstrong crashed it because it ran out of fuel (he does not own any part of that?), not due to flying error. Again, if I ever get to re-editing my site, I may revise some of the language regarding that situation, but it works for me as it is.
I am at least 99% certain that that the moon landings happened as presented, but stuff like landing a few feet away from a crater’s rim on Apollo 12 (which gave a nice porch-front view of Surveyor 3) can give one pause. If a leg had landed in that crater, they may not have been able to take off. It was only the second LM landing, and they were not concerned about landing next to a crater rim, or they were so expert that they could thread that needle? Again, it is a situation that can make one think.
I have been open to evidence that the moon landings were faked, but whenever I am approached, the claimants always recycle the same tired old mine tailings, and I send them to this forum. My doubt is vanishingly small, but until I go to the moon myself, some small doubt will remain, similar to O’Leary’s. Again, lots has been faked and covered up regarding public events, but the moon landings themselves (such as we really landed men on the moon with rocket technology) do not appear to be one of those instances.
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Sept 27, 2009 16:23:20 GMT -4
Yes, I have not looked at Jarrah's claims much, but his cred is miniscule. I have found few of the moon hoax claims that I looked at to be dismissible in ten minutes. www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#apolloBut maybe we are referring to different anomalies. Jay and his pals, for instance, have put in a lot of time dealing with the lines of evidence. While some claims can look shaky rather quickly, to put the nails in their coffins can take quite some time (such as no visible exhaust from the LMs as they took off from the moon, or the reticles disappearing, or all the faked photo claims – many HAVE been altered, but those alterations do not mean fakery – the “C” rock, Aldrin’s antenna disappearing, etc., or a lack of lunar low-gravity feats).
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Sept 27, 2009 14:31:17 GMT -4
Hi Jason: On the subject of who “they” are, that is part of the problem with black ops, or when powerful individuals/groups begin swinging the sledgehammer. There is often no paper trail, and usually little physical evidence. You generally only have the testimony of the victims, if they survive and eventually figure out that they WERE the target of black ops. Also, people like O’Leary DO know the names of people who subjected them to black ops, but as you can see in that video, Brian will not name them, because they are alive and can wreak vengeance on those who expose them (and those black ops folks’ identities and why they approached Brian provide some of the evidence of why Brian has some residual skepticism about the moon landings). If you survive the black ops experience, and those who inflicted it on you are high ranking officials in the U.S. government, for instance, who the hell can protect you if you expose them? That is part of the problem with whistleblowers. For instance, the Bush the Second administration was infamous for not protecting any whistleblowers, and even retaliating against them, such as with Valerie Plame. There are other reasons for the “they.” My relative who was a CIA contract agent: www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#ciaworked for a household name diplomat who is still alive and still has a high profile. Also, my relative’s family likely does not know much, if anything, about his black ops secret life, and it is not my place to expose that. Similarly, my friend who got an underground exotic technology show from the black ops crowd: www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#undergroundis not publicly talking about it, to my knowledge, so I won’t identify the person who got the show, nor will I reveal too many details about it publicly. In a similar vein, we do not know who the deputies stole our technical material for in the raid: www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#deputybut I highly doubt that they stole it for their own perusal. We do not know who called us up late at night, to encourage our free energy efforts. These are some of the problems with black ops. Some have gone public, named names (or were about to) and stirred up dirt. Those kinds of behaviors can drastically shorten one’s life expectancy, as it did for Paul Wilcher: www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#wilcherDanny Casolaro: www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#casolaroand others like them. When William Colby approached Steven Greer www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#greerthrough intermediaries, and tried to get some of that exotic technology under black ops control (free energy, at a minimum) to Greer, and Colby was found floating in the Potomac a few days later, it showed that nobody is safe from the black ops boys, if they become a target. The so-called radical left generally ignores/dismisses black ops because they do not leave documentary archives that they can dive into, and it also conflicts with their ideology of an anarchic world scene, where nobody is really in control and there is no conscious manipulation of world-stage events though surreptitious means. www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracismThat is like discarding evidence that falls outside one’s paradigm. They won’t see the big picture of what is happening by taking that position. It IS possible to investigate the situations, although it can be perilous. So far, however, almost nobody has, which is part of the conundrum. Again, not everybody who looks into the moon landings or has doubts about them has an overactive imagination. Many have experienced black ops, or been in close proximity to them, and quite a few black ops are related to space activities, so the Apollo missions can come up for questioning. Until you dig into the evidence, many of the moon hoax claims can appear valid, to one degree or another. But, when you dig into them, as I did, the moon hoax claims begin falling apart. But it takes a lot of time to do that. So, doubts about the moon landings can be quite legitimate, but when one digs into the evidence, the doubts begin to vanish, as far as the notion that the moon landings were faked. The Jarrahs of the world are barking up the wrong tree, which really muddies the milieu. Because people like him are headed in the wrong direction, and will doggedly never change their tune, it becomes easy to smear anybody looking into black ops and related cover-ups with that tinfoil hat crowd. Wade
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Sept 17, 2009 11:06:05 GMT -4
There is a dynamic around this moon hoax situation I have not seen dealt with before, but I have seen it more than once during my journey. The Space Race was a quasi-military effort. My father was recruited from the military to go work in Mission Control, with his top secret clearance. www.ahealedplanet.net/paths.htm#olearyVirtually all of the Mercury/NASA/Apollo astronauts had military backgrounds (even a civilian like Brian had to go through top-secret-level security checks). Most of the Disclosure Project witnesses are from the military. www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#greerThe black ops world is heavily military, but a lot of it is also privatized, like with my relative who was a CIA contract agent: www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#ciaIn fact, the most important parts are privatized. There is a great deal of black ops activity around high technology and space activities (which is, of course, also grist for the conspiracy theory crowd’s mill). One of the moon hoax “nuts” that is very high profile acted like he had the goods on some black ops activities when he was pursuing Apollo landing evidence, when he really did not have anything. However, they THOUGHT that he did, and he suffered some pretty harsh treatment because of it. Because of his treatment, he thinks he found the goods on hoaxing the moon landings, and I doubt that he will ever be convinced otherwise. If they THINK that you have something, even if you do not, your treatment will be the same. When our offices were raided during my free energy days, and the police stole all of our technical material: www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#mrThey did not steal the secrets of free energy, but they THOUGHT that perhaps they were. The Apollo program is not that far removed from genuine black ops, and people can stumble into them and confuse their experience, where the black ops people are keeping the lid on disruptive technology and the like, with covering up the hoaxing of the moon landings. It helps explain some of Brian’s skepticism, and the behaviors of some of the moon hoax theorists. I am not saying that their doubts reflect the Apollo reality, but their attitudes can be influenced by witnessing and bearing the brunt of black ops activities. The moon hoax attitudes are not merely the result of hyperactive imaginations and other foibles, but are partly the result of the milieu around the Apollo shots overlapping the black ops world.
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Post by wadefrazier3 on Sept 16, 2009 9:35:51 GMT -4
In the practice of science, certitude should probably never be invoked. There are only varying levels of confidence. Brian is not certain about the moon landings, and I am not CERTAIN, but our doubts are small, and mine are smaller than Brian’s. Brian did not make up his Apollo doubts out of the thin air. He has stated in the past the source of some of his skepticism, such as the terse responses that he received from fellow astronauts when he asked them about their moon-walking activities. He has been subjected to black ops activities that he will not talk publicly about (you can see him carefully mention some of them in a recent talk that he gave www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp_0V127eU&feature=channel_page), but I can say that some were space-related (Ed Mitchell en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell#Views_on_UFOs and Gordon Cooper en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Cooper#UFO_claims are/were not nuts!). There is a lot more than meets the eye regarding NASA and space, but fabricating the moon landings does not appear to be on the list of genuine covert activities. So, Brian’s statement of being less than certain about the Apollo landings is understandable. He has NOT looked long and hard at the Apollo evidence, and has no plans to revisit the subject. His doubt is a very small thing, related to the reality of the moon landings, but the Jarrahs of the world cannot let it go because, for many of them, it seems to give their fevered efforts a thin veneer of legitimacy. Best, Wade
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