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Post by Sabine on Dec 12, 2009 7:08:00 GMT -4
Thanks Jason and randombloke. I see what you mean about the earth's rotation and the different planes. I thought it must be something like that, but with so many components moving in relation to each other, it's a bit confusing to the lay person. Actually, quite confusing, but it is after all "rocket science".
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Post by Sabine on Dec 11, 2009 13:35:09 GMT -4
That is absolutely brilliant! I like how you can see the "window" start to close as the thicker part of the belt rotates into the plane of the trajectory. That, sir, is definitive. These videos and visuals have really clarified this whole issue for me, but this is something I'm still not clear on: why does that window start to close? I guess I was under the impression that these belts don't move.
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Post by Sabine on Nov 25, 2009 14:18:31 GMT -4
Must've posted at the same time as echnaton.
Are there really that many people looking around the solar system for objects that might hit us in ten years? I always kind of assumed something like that would totally take us by surprise.
As for changes to the Earth's orbit, it was shown to become less elongated, allegedly resulting in "just half a degree rise in temperatures", which was glossed over as if it were nothing.
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Post by Sabine on Nov 25, 2009 14:05:05 GMT -4
Excellent question. I thought of that too, but the reasoning was that just getting to the Killer Asteroid would take too much time, Ceres is closer. Remember, they asssumed we would notice this object ten years before it hit Earth. Also, would we be able to say for certain if the Killer Asteroid had enough ice to power this magical water-powered drive? The program made it sound like Ceres was especially icy as asteroids go.
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Post by Sabine on Nov 25, 2009 12:23:03 GMT -4
Thought I'd share something I saw on TV the other night.
It was a program about what would happen if we spotted some kind of large Killer AsteroidTM on a collision course for Earth, ala Armageddon.
Given ten years lead time, which I as a complete lay person find somewhat unrealistic, the program claimed that it would be possible to affect the Earth's orbit enough to miss the asteroid. The theory was that we would (somehow) use another massive object to deflect the Earth.
As the program explained, there is an "ion drive" (sorry, it was in German and I don't know the English term) that uses water to create thrust (somehow, this was illustrated with a line drawing of ice being sucked into a machine and some dots flying out the other end). We would set this kind of drive up on Ceres, an asteroid with tons of ice, and use it to propel Ceres toward Earth. With the right trajectory, making Ceres pass close enough to earth would be enough to deflect our orbit enough to let the Killer AsteroidTM fly right by us.
The whole thing seemed kinda questionable, but intrigued me. Would something like this even be possible? Could we influence the Earth's orbit like that? Or is this a totally crackpot idea?
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Post by Sabine on Nov 21, 2009 12:22:05 GMT -4
Wow, that's really clear even to a complete lay person like me (I skipped all the math). Nice work!
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Post by Sabine on Nov 19, 2009 4:36:05 GMT -4
I wonder how fm pentrates the dense fabric of his clothes every morning. Seems like it would be impossible to insert a body into clothes without destroying them. Dangerous even, considering zippers... Unless... Wait a minute, I have to go try something... ... ... Yes, as it turns out, you can in fact get in and out of your clothes via the openings. Sorry, photographic evidence is required to prove that claim. (oh come on, someone had to say what you were all thinking. ) I'll leave that to the professionals. After all, I'm not an engineer. ;D
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Post by Sabine on Nov 18, 2009 14:14:33 GMT -4
Tomblvd, Sabine, we occasionally get posters who say that they have not convinced us, because we are brainwashed, but that the lurkers know the real truth. Thank you for de-lurking long enough to admire the great work done here. Though certainly not by me. I'm another "I don't understand very much, but all of this makes it pretty transparent to me" type. Especially the doughnut. Though I refuse to believe the Van Allen Belts are glazed. Powdered, maybe, or chocolate. Obviously, they would be sprinkled. Particle radiation and all that. ;D
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Post by Sabine on Nov 18, 2009 13:05:11 GMT -4
Not only do you guys not know, but I got a feeling many of you guys dont even want to know. Well I do want to know, and thats why I have been asking for a 3D diagram to give us a better picture of long it could take. And whatever the results, Ill thank the brave soul who puts it together I've read this thread from the start, and I congradulate those of you who have tried to educate this poster on the intricacies of Lunar Trajectories, the VABs and radiation. So I wonder why, after fm cut-and-pasted this (along with just about everything else he posted): "The strongest radiation particles of all are gamma particles. This is the most common type of radiation in space"
you would be inclined to even try and educated him further. That he posted that and didn't know the absolute, basic difference between particle and wave radiation should be enough to dismiss him as more than a troll, but an ignorant buffoon.
Now, that is not an ad hominem. I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to him because he's an ignorant buffoon. I've proven he's just that by virtue of that single statement, akin to someone debating advanced mathematics saying 2+2=5.
fm, your google-fu isn't nearly good enough to cover up the fact you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. No matter how much you cut-and-paste, in how many different colors.
Bob, I look forward to your project, but I fear it won't help a bit. I'm going to have to park my vote right along side here, I also just finished reading this thread. I spend my days at work having people tell me over and over again that I wouldn't understand [issue not related to engineering] because I'm not an engineer. And even I, a non-engineer, get this. The sketch was great, the donut was great. So simple. You guys are so patient, but fm clearly doesn't want to learn. He's just leading you on, pretending to be open to reason. I wonder how fm pentrates the dense fabric of his clothes every morning. Seems like it would be impossible to insert a body into clothes without destroying them. Dangerous even, considering zippers... Unless... Wait a minute, I have to go try something... ... ... Yes, as it turns out, you can in fact get in and out of your clothes via the openings.
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Post by Sabine on Nov 18, 2009 12:48:25 GMT -4
Wasn't there a wire running along the top edge to hold the fabric out in a nice rectangle? I always assumed that after being bumped, that wire was simply returning to it's previous shape and position. Like branch of a tree when you pull it down and then let it snap back up again.
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Post by Sabine on Jul 31, 2009 16:06:45 GMT -4
Hi, I found this page when directed here by someone recommending the Moonman saga as good reading. I've been reading up on some of the longer threads ever since.
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Post by Sabine on Jul 15, 2009 3:43:51 GMT -4
Hi all! I hate to revive a long dead thread, especially as a lurker, so let me just link to it: the United 93 thread, which I just finished reading. I've been reading through a lot of the older threads here recently, since discovering this site a few months ago. I seem to have stumbled onto the very pinnacle of ludicrousness here though. The idea that people on the plane called 911 to say it was hijacked, that that very plane was seen by dozens of people veering wildly before taking a sharp nose dive behind a treeline, followed by loud crash and fireball, does NOT lead to the conclusion that it was hijacked and crashed? Rather it was all staged by people who got the passengers to call home from the plane and lie about the hijacking for some reason, that the plane did not crash into a fireball behind the treeline but miraculously flew away without ever being see by anyone, that the passengers were then all killed and the bodies burned to look like they had been in an explosion, a hole was quickly dug and filled with explosives and the body parts and plane parts and then detonated, all in the time it would take a plane to travel the vertical distance of the height of a line of trees? What? Or that it was shot down by an invisible government jet with invisible missles and invisible explosions for invisible reasons and the passengers on the plane were perhaps just hallucinating the hijackers or maybe phone pranking their loved ones like some kind of lousy radio morning show? Am I the only person who thinks that the fine thread that connected these CTers to reality has finally broken? I think someone's X-files marathon has gone on a bit too long, how much more credit can you possibly give our government (or any government for that matter)? They can't get my sex right on my passport but they can orchestrate this? Consider this. You and your wife want to have kids. You have been trying for them. Your wife tells you she's pregnant and you see the positive pregancy test. She develops a belly. You feel the baby kick and see ultrasounds of it. You see her water break after 9 months and drive her to the hospital. She is about to push the baby out when you have to leave the room briefly. Five minutes later, the nurse comes out with a screaming newborn that has your eyes and your wife's nose. Your wife is now no longer pregnant. There is a video of the birth. What is the most likely conclusion? Well, for you or I, it would be that your wife had given birth to your child. A CTer, following the same logic as with the United Shanksville crash, would conclude that, because you had not seen the baby being born with your own two eyes (the video could've been faked, after all), the most likely scenario is that the baby was born, then killed, then cloned in a lab and grown to the size of a newborn, all in the five minutes before you saw it, and despite the fact that it would be unbelievably more complicated for no reason at all. Either that or your wife never was pregnant to begin with and the government paid her, the OBGYN, and all other medical personnel off to fake it for some reason. And implanted some kind of pregnacy-faking device in your wife's belly, for the kicking. And then somehow cloned a baby to look like you and her. For some reason. This also solves the mystery of why there was blood on the cutting board and a cut on my finger yesterday evening. Obviously, government ninjas infiltrated my house, knocked me out, sprinkled some of my blood on the cutting board (which they had been saving ever since I last gave blood about 10 years ago), cut my finger with some kind of psychic surgery, stood me back in front of the cutting board with a kitchen knife in my hand and erased my memory. It's so obvious! They just wanted me to think my knife had slipped and I'd cut myself, but now the truth has come to light! I have to say, I want to tear my hair out reading some of these theories. And I really admire those of you who can keep a level head (though I'm sure not always a straight face) when answering them. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Sabine
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