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Post by rick on Oct 12, 2009 13:26:43 GMT -4
I will never understand believing what is wanted to be believed.
It is more enlightening to see how the magician's trick is done.
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Post by rick on Oct 12, 2009 13:25:38 GMT -4
Have they found any Extra Solar Earths?
I was browsing the database and so far I have not found anything promising.
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Post by rick on Oct 12, 2009 13:24:19 GMT -4
Has this been covered here?
What ever happened to that rock they found by the south pole from Mars that had some sort of microscopic evidence of life?
Is it Yes? Is it No? Is it now doubtful?
Could natural nonliving chemical processes cause this sort of worm like structure?
Something for Myth Busters I guess if they want to really take the show up a few notches.
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Post by rick on Oct 11, 2009 20:55:19 GMT -4
If you believe something because it give you comfort or your life meaning then " The Matrix Has You". You are willing to take the snake oil that others give you and to some degree you are a slave to their whims. What exactly is wrong with thinking that we are primates? Why must we think of animals as being below us? It is a trick that the snake oil salesmen play. I have a better idea: Animals have a consciousness. This view makes God's creation even more wonderful and meaningful. What about adapting a better meaning of life. The question for knowledge and vowing to look at things more logically rather than doing mental gymnastics to believe what is truly less plausible. Jason, what about that famous counterfeiter who duped the president and leadership of the Mormon church? They would buy up anything he brought forward that would be embarrassing to the church theology and keep it locked and hidden and, on the othe hand, they would then publicly trumpet anything the counterfeiter made the church look divine. I cannot believe the leaders of your church believe in the faith. The counterfeiter knew this and exploited it, for a time, very well.
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Post by rick on Oct 11, 2009 20:48:28 GMT -4
Oh, noes! Contradictions in the Bible! Note that I do not, personally, think Jesus was divine. I have 3 questions. 1. what do you believe? 2. why do you believe this? 3. what does this belief do for you? And for the other posters: I have looked up those verses before. I will do it again this weekend. It was Luke and Matthew. In Luke 22:36 Jesus told his Deciples to arm themselves: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." In Matthew 26:52-54 Peter used one of those swords to cut off the ear of of a servant of the high priest.
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Post by rick on Oct 9, 2009 3:04:02 GMT -4
... always wrong SO FAR. But they have to be right only once.
Once we start ignoring them, they are proven correct and they have failed to do their job which is to keep us on our toes.
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Post by rick on Oct 9, 2009 2:57:01 GMT -4
I was looking around that website. Most look like someone flung a hubcap into the air. Pretty sad.
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Post by rick on Oct 9, 2009 2:53:25 GMT -4
Oh, noes! Contradictions in the Bible! Note that I do not, personally, think Jesus was divine. I have 3 questions. 1. what do you believe? 2. why do you believe this? 3. what does this belief do for you? And for the other posters: I have looked up those verses before. I will do it again this weekend.
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 23:59:30 GMT -4
I know the book of John was written in Greek. The others, I am not so sure. Regardless, the orignial story remains intact Your knowledge certainly doesn't. All four gospels were written in Greek, as was Revelation, Acts, and probably the Epistles. Over fifty years after the time of Jesus. So any story told in the Bible cannot be said for sure to represent Jesus' worldview, no matter how often you make the claim. Even leaving aside the other problems I mentioned. Ad HominemYes, the gospels were written long after the fact but biblical scolars cite a probable written record, "Gospel of Q" as being a source that the scribes of the gospels referred to. And you cannot cherry pick what you want to believe as actually being said and what was later put into the Bible just because the parts you want to exclude are unfavorable. The study, " Misquoting Jesus" does NOT exclude the two events as being parts that were later added. So the historical Jesus thought the world was flat or at least it is more plausable to believe he did than he did not. But there is more. When it looked like the Romans were going to have him picked up, and Jesus knew it was likely to happen, In the book of Matthew it is written that Jesus told his disciples to take some of the donated money and go out and buy swords. Do you remember this verse? It is also written in Mark that one of the deciples used one of those bought swords to cut off the ear of a Roman soldier that came to arrest Jesus. Jesus stopped any fight. So Jesus changed his mind. First he thought they should arm themselves for an attack and then he changed his mind. It also changes the model of a pacifist that modern christians have of him. But there is more. When Jesus was dying on the cross he cried out "Father, why have you forsaken me". Reading that gives me pause. Did Jesus really expect to die or did he, at that time, think that there would be some sort of miracle that would rescue him from dying -- or something of that sort?
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 22:25:11 GMT -4
Far fetched would include - he was aware of some scholars view of the world as round, or Jesus was God, or maybe he was bright enough to figure it out for himself. Then if he was/is God he would know that he would be creating doubt of his divinity by implying the world was flat on two occasions. God would not do that. So that sums it up.
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 22:22:00 GMT -4
Right. It is a story with a message. But, at the same time, the teller of the story (who was first Jesus) thought the world was flat. You keep assuming this... if he was human - maybe. If he was God then probably not. probably not what? I know the book of John was written in Greek. The others, I am not so sure. Regardless, the orignial story remains intact
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 22:13:20 GMT -4
Wow, they're still debating it!! Good Stuff!!
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 21:42:55 GMT -4
yeah, the enlargement even shows the undercarrage.
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 18:30:58 GMT -4
In which translation? The problem is, you're taking the whole thing literally, which is almost certainly not the way they were intended to be read. Right. It is a story with a message. But, at the same time, the teller of the story (who was first Jesus) thought the world was flat. And, it is in all translations. You are grasping at straws if you think the translations changed the story. It is this way in the original Hebrew text. The story was told by Jesus as a vision he had during his 40 day vision quest, of sorts, in the desert before hims ministry. But, at the same time, he clearly thought the world was flat. If you take this passage along with the passage of Christ saying that he will appear in the clouds such that the whole world will see him; and if you apply Occoms Razor, the most plausable answer -- and the one we must accept if we are to be regarded as logical thinkers -- is that Jesus thought the world was flat. Otherwise, we have to do mental gymnastics to find far-fetched explainations for each of these two issues seperately.
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Post by rick on Oct 7, 2009 18:26:50 GMT -4
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