Topher
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Post by Topher on Oct 21, 2010 21:47:38 GMT -4
You learn the strangest things when looking up conspiracy theories. Did you know that, contrary to popular belief, that Dinosaurs were probably unable to vocalize? Well, probably not in the sense that they do in movies, with all the roaring and screeching.
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Post by Topher on Oct 21, 2010 15:01:42 GMT -4
I do wish I'd been able to go to "fake prom." Real prom fell after the yearbook deadline, but they wanted some pictures from the location, so a dozen or so people went in nice clothes and took pictures. It would have been hugely funny to me to have been in the "prom" pictures even without having gone to prom. The word "prom" has now lost all meaning. The prom conspiracy?
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Post by Topher on Oct 21, 2010 2:57:21 GMT -4
People kept telling me I'd regret it if I didn't go. I haven't yet! I went to a homecoming once. Not one of my best experiences. But, I'm an awkward nerd, so I'm not much for big crowds and dancing (in front of people, that is.)
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 16:14:22 GMT -4
I found this series of videos. The creator of the series cites this as a critical look at the Reptilian.
So far, he looks at history with extreme bias to his own cause, but it is a good place to start for me. I should have figured the Ancient Alien theory would be loosely connected to this.
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 15:48:13 GMT -4
If he comes back, he's just going to try and prop up his "Portland cement and rake" theory. Last time he tried this on the David Icke forum, he showed a composite image that was taken from lunar orbit and said it was proof that they brushed the lunar surface to spread the dirt.
Until someone pointed out the origin of the picture, at least.
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 5:30:44 GMT -4
Well, you can't "prove" a conspiracy theorist wrong, if you look at it from their perspective.
They're shady like that. They'll give you one story, present it as truth, and when you explain to them why this is wrong, they'll slip in a few changes here and there and act like you ignored their other points.
They won't change the theory altogether, they will just change it enough to get around your points and act like they didn't.
Or, they will beat around the bush by using other "evidence" and won't admit mistakes.
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 5:08:14 GMT -4
Right now, I'm actually trying to find the "evidence" behind the claims for the existence of Reptilians for a series of videos I'm looking to do involving conspiracy theories.
I've been to the David Icke forum, and honestly, that's like a dead end. Everytime someone asks for evidence, they just say "you won't understand until you experience it". What the hell does this mean?
It's either that, or "Well, you won't have the evidence to disprove, so check mate".
Meh. Whatever. Does anyone here know of any resources I can look at so I can destroy the sh*t out of this theory on Youtube?
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Post by Topher on Oct 20, 2010 2:55:57 GMT -4
I like the ones where they try to argue a theory that they can't even prove, as if they have all of the evidence for it.
For instance, Jarrah's relay satellite theory to fool 3rd parties.
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Post by Topher on Oct 19, 2010 23:41:58 GMT -4
I love how even when NASA gives an explanation, they choose to believe something else.
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Post by Topher on Oct 19, 2010 22:39:44 GMT -4
Luke, you should know better than to think that there's more to radiation than just "it goes all over the place and kills".
We all know that radiation either kills people, or turns them into giant angry green people.
This is scientifically proven by Marvel comics.
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Post by Topher on Oct 19, 2010 22:29:03 GMT -4
What annoyed me about that show was the inevitable conclusion. After spending days investigating some alleged UFO story and finding absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it, the lead investigator would conclude that since they didn't find any evidence proving it wasn't a UFO that is still could have been a UFO. When I was in late teens and sitting my A-levels, the JFK conspiracy was all the rage. We had similar shows in the UK that really didn't present evidence for a conspiracy, but would still conclude that even if there was no evidence for a conspiracy, there still might have been one. I think the problem of conspiracy is going to get worse given the access to the Internet and TV junk. Kids get wrapped up in it, some grow up and leave it behind as a phase, some don't. I'm afraid given the information available nowadays, and many social factors, more and more will never move on and the numbers that believe will grow. Another problem with the internet regarding conspiracies is it catches younger and more impressionable kids and teens into the idea of conspiracies, and since theirs very, very little on the opposing views on the internet (Go to youtube and type in 9/11 conspiracy, then type in 9/11 conspiracy debunked.), most of these kids could end up siding with the conspiracy than taking a more rational route.
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Post by Topher on Oct 19, 2010 14:15:23 GMT -4
I don’t know if it is still on or not, but SyFy use to run a show called Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files. It was the same sort of thing, a group of people going out and investigated strange stories. At least in this show the people really did try to find prosaic explanations for things and weren’t slanted toward accepting paranormal explanations. I only saw a few episodes, but like most shows of this type, they had to drag out the investigation for dramatic affect, often bypassing simple experiments that would have gotten to the answer very quickly. I recall one episode in which they were investigated a railroad crossing in Texas where, if you stop your car and put it in neutral, the car will apparently roll uphill and over the crossing. There is some silly ghost story that supposedly explains it. For about half an hour while the show is investigating all these paranormal possibilities, I’m shouting at the TV “Shoot the grade!” Finally at the end they get a surveyor’s level and find that it is really a 1% downhill grade. The fact it looks uphill is an optical illusion causes by the nature of the adjacent terrain. I guess my point is, these types of programs can frustrate and infuriate me even when they eventually get to the correct answer because they typically treat outlandish possibilities as if they have equal merit to scientific ones. A lot of paranormal shows will drag on for paranormal effect when there's almost nothing about the supposed paranormal site/event. Let's take Bigfoot, for example. There's literally loads of lore and history and "evidence" of bigfoot, so you can probably devote a whole day to bigfoot and still wouldn't have enough time to cram everything out. But something like the Jersey Devil, it only has a few myths and stories surrounding it. It's hard to flesh that out. As far as investigation goes, it really all depends on the show. Some shows are just terrible at applying the scientific method to...well...anything. And the whole "skeptic" approach to paranormal investigating that many people do now is kind of a double edged sword. While it's good that they're not just believing everything they see, many people outside of the paranormal crowd expect them to abide strictly to the scientific method, even if the said investigators have mentioned they aren't scientists or out to really prove anything. But the way I see it is, it's fun entertainment, and a cool hobby. The main reason I can stand the paranormal over conspiracy theories is because the paranormal isn't always about fear mongering and trying to get people to believe in some evil corrupt secret government, or that NASA has a plot to fake the moon landings and will kill everyone to do that. That's not to say the paranormal doesn't have bad apples. It has them in droves, and I don't take kindly to paranormal investigators taking advantage of people who have experienced a recent death in the family.
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Post by Topher on Oct 18, 2010 23:11:10 GMT -4
I have a feeling that if I were to watch this show it would infuriate me. That's why I've never managed to watch more than a few minutes of it. It's impossible to respond to the garbage in TV shows like that, so there is nothing the audience can do stop Ventura from spreading false information. It's like seeing that an accident is about to happen but having your hands tied so you can't prevent it. The few episodes I've seen, pretty much they "track" the conspiracy theory, which usually ends up with Ventura discovering the "truth" about the conspiracy theory, or him yelling at a government facility about his rights as an American. (Which, by the way, he doesn't even live in America right now.) The show is just ridiculous. And this is coming from a guy who watches ghost haunting and paranormal shows, and has a few of the Ghost hunter seasons.
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Post by Topher on Oct 18, 2010 22:47:45 GMT -4
All I know is in his documentary, he stated that he was trying to prove the moon landings happened, but by the end of the documentary, he pretty much gone through all of the hoax claims without giving light to any counter arguments. I think the broadly-stated problem I have with Ranen's work is that it can't decide what it's trying to say. I can't tell what, if any point, he's trying to make. I think he's really just trying to get attention by any means. What sort of person sends me e-mail, knowing who I am and what I do, and asks, "Why haven't you debunked me yet?" Awww, it sounds like he just wants some attention
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Post by Topher on Oct 18, 2010 22:19:56 GMT -4
I have a few ideas in mind. But honestly, a lot of them would probably get removed from Youtube/DA as they might go too far.
My first idea was to have Jarrah go around at TAM ambushing Phil Plait with moon hoax questions, only for him to secretly confess his love for him when Plait walks away.
This is the clean version of that idea.
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