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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 11, 2011 15:26:08 GMT -4
The battle against ignorance is my fight. Sadly, you're greatly outnumbered. Yeah by at least 6 to 1 globally!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 11, 2011 7:11:38 GMT -4
Polar orbit is where the Apollo missions hid behind the northern lights for many days only to return to earth valiant heros......ohhh NASA and their crazy tricks!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 11, 2011 7:01:19 GMT -4
great comic and was raised on that stuff!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 11, 2011 7:00:40 GMT -4
Even better yet send him here...I am sure the collective group could answer every question he has and more!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 11, 2011 6:59:13 GMT -4
I agree with Kiwi send him to Clavius as it has the best collection of moon facts out there that are easily understood and cross referenced if need be! That is where I started and although took me about 6 months of intense study I know that without a doubt we went to the moon! Beforehand I had some doubts or the very least thought some of the hoax theory sounded viable! That is until I researched and found out not only did we go to the moon when we said we did but how silly and unsubstantiated the hoax claims were!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Aug 8, 2011 7:33:06 GMT -4
Cool! I used similar Hass elblad's (and Bronica SQ's) in the 70's/80's for weddings and portraiture. And yes, they occasionally gave us a few hass les, despite their cost and reputation... being a pro photographer I would certainly like to pick your brain one of these days!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 27, 2011 2:39:45 GMT -4
OOops my bad....I just seen it today and couldn't stop laughing and here I thought I was special or something!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 27, 2011 0:46:59 GMT -4
Watch this if you dare and be careful....the pure horror will over take you just as it did to me!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 26, 2011 21:30:06 GMT -4
I hear that....I found it funny a reply to this same post I put in another forum I frequent. Where someone said well if believe the standard capabilities of what HF radio waves are capable of then I see why you believe this. That I should try to wrap my head around things they are doing with HAARP that are so far beyond what most humans know or believe to be true. I had to stop posting for a minute because of laughter...well sure if you want to believe that the U.S has discovered a way for radio waves to control people and move the crust of the earth then I guess HAARP makes sense....if you want to depend on scientific fact and knowledge then well......it's all a load of garbage! I wonder what scientist would have discovered all those new ways to use HF radio waves and thought.."Nahhhh I don't want a Nobel Prize.....nahh a collective award from my peers is unwanted cause we need to cause a Japanese earthquake as well as a Haitian one for.....ummmmm....what reason again?
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 21, 2011 7:54:06 GMT -4
I have run into NASAvs Pete numerous times and told him a bunch just actually spend 10-12 hours researching and get back to me. If you do that and still think it's a hoax I will honestly listen to anything you have to say! I am not taking credit or nothing as I have done that with a ton of people but eventually if someone is smart enough and logical...they will approach both sides of a debate and see what gives each validity! Some diehard hoax believers hopefully will do that eventually even though most won't it's nice to see a couple that will!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 21, 2011 2:17:34 GMT -4
There are some HBs who do numbers. What I'm not sure of is if they are more to the side of treating numbers with the same essential dishonesty of everything else they do; using them as a club to convince others, and making up numbers as they please, instead of using them as a tool to learn something. Or if they are more to the side of trying honestly to do numbers but being so misled by their previous beliefs they rationalize sticking in the wrong ones or not bothering to look up the right ones, leaving out important factors or putting in fudge factors, in order to get results they like. I agree with that totally. With numbers....or any other part of the debate used as proof I argue both sides to myself and see what part makes more sense. You are right in the fact that every HB seems to omit something from the big picture. The best example was one tried to tell me that if I watched Apollo:Dark side of the Moon I would discover that Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld are in it admitting to the government faking the whole thing. Now he was right but in typical HB fashion he never zoomed out and looked at the big picture. That movie is FICTIONAL and everything in there taken out of context...I find that to be the case with all HB. I try not to get into arguments with them as much just noticing when there is someone that genuinely wants to know if we achieved this feat or not is when I get involved for the most part!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 21, 2011 2:02:18 GMT -4
I'm still largely innumerate but I've been getting slowly better. Learning details about Apollo has helped. I also have a long-term friend who does NOT suffer from that problem. We frequently do napkin sketches over brunch in which he fires off a lot of basic measures; "So, a two-story wooden house weighs n tons, and the powerplant of a diesel locomotive puts out n watts, and the density of thorium is n, so multiply by the speed of sound in dry air and you get..." It is HARD to get an instinct for just how heavy a car is, how much Ke it carries when moving at freeway speeds, et al. This is part of how H.B.s (and other conspiracy theorists) get so conflicted where their instincts tell them how something will behave, and the actual scale of the numbers involved does something very different. You see this all the time; "The batteries would have been huge!" or "It would have taken too much water!" or "It wasn't moving fast enough!" And, I think, it goes one step deeper. They aren't used to working in numbers, so to them actually calculating the necessary battery weight for the Rover doesn't feel as "real" as letting instinct tell them how many kg of batteries would be needed. Whereas us recovering innumerate can at least know that the calculation -- if performed correctly -- trumps instinct: even if we lack the experience with the typical range of the numbers to be able to know instinctively the ballpark of the calculation before we even do it. Exactly and also being the ones that didn't understand the numbers once I feel we can translate that to the few HB that are unsure but will honestly put in a effort to see for themselves if we landed on the moon!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 21, 2011 1:53:16 GMT -4
The problem is that, for a lot of us, the numbers literally don't mean anything. This is one reason a lot of uneducated people get fooled by HBs. Your numbers could be right or theirs could; we don't know. (Note that I'm hardly uneducated, but my math and science education is at a much lower level than a lot of people here. I've never taken calculus, and while my physics class was fun, that wasn't from learning physics.) Now, the numbers are important. I have a great respect for the numbers--and those who can make sense of them. And if you understand them, they are literally the simplest way to explain what you're talking about. But I don't, Fattydash didn't, and quite a lot of other people don't. It is not hard to understand the numbers if you put a little time in. I did that last year when I first started studying this theory. In part I also started to study one of the most fascinating topics to me in life......Black Holes. Now in the beginning I had no clue what the physics were telling me about them( I studied physics in High School but like you I don't have the best grasp of all the math). So I started slow and with the help of a great site WolframAlpha.com I started to slowly learn what it was telling me. Now after that there is not one subject I am afraid to tackle knowing that if I dedicate myself to learning it I can and will eventually figure it out!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 21, 2011 1:40:37 GMT -4
I mixed my writing in with another post from another site. This is my findings when it comes to the topic of HAARP and the theories I have heard the most! Myth or Reality? Nikola Tesla invented HAARP super technology now being exploited by the military industrial complex.---- Tesla was a very eccentric, now long dead, radio-electronic genius, but he was as much hot air as solid fact and what any of it has to do with HAARP is not always clear except as a useful ploy to garner viewership or palm off static electricity generators to gullible customers as "revolutionary new power sources". HAARP is punching holes in the ionosphere creating permanent damage to a protective layer of the earth.------That's dubious because short-wave (HF) radio broadcasters have been bouncing megawatts of power off the ionosphere for decades without ill effect. The very nature of HF frequencies means that they dissipate rapidly even at high powers which reduces the area with which the beam can be focused onto any given region of the atmosphere. Punching holes doesn't even make sense because of the very nature of the ionosphere; how can you punch a hole in a fluid (plasma)?HAARP is the latest "star-wars" antimissile system.------ If this thing could really stop missiles by damaging their electronics don't you think the government would be pumping their billions of dollars into HAARP instead of into missiles and lasers that have yet to even come close to successful?HAARP is a death ray that can strike any point on the globe.------The only radio waves that bounce of the ionosphere are HF and that simply can't kill anyone, after all, you're being beamed with HF radio broadcasts right now by worldwide transmitters - my god were all going to die! The higher frequencies that could potentially be harmful pass through the ionosphere, that's how we get satellite TV signals! Likely the only way to reflect these microwaves would be to turn a small region of the ionosphere into a radio-opaque plasma using perhaps HF to such an extent that it becomes reflective to microwaves. But then simultaneously you'd need a powerful microwave signal and transmitter, neither of which HAARP has, except a tiny S-band radar to shut off the system when aircraft stray too close. Furthermore, even if this far-fetched death ray could be made it would never be able to reach more than half the planet from any single site.
Earth-penetrating tomography presumably using ELF radio waves. Meaning HAARP is able to detect underground objects, and some claim even to destroy them, once again magically with short-wave radio! Tomography is possible but you'd have to be able to pick up the reflections some how which would require a secondary, perhaps satellite receiver. It seems like an airborne platform, like a modified J-STARS or EC-135 or something, would make more sense. Old fashioned magnetometers in aircraft can do the same thing already.HAARP can manipulate the weather.-----The energy levels associated with the weather engine of Earth are truly staggering and no radio transmitter could ever hope to possibly compete with it. The only reasonable way HAARP or its relatives could influence weather would be by pinpoint heating of bodies of water or air, clouds or perhaps the jet stream. The problem here, and one the conspiracists ignore, is that it takes microwave energies to do that and HAARP is only using HF and below, far too weak to deliver anything close to the needed energy. HAARP does not even have the antenna system let alone the power generating equipment for creating very powerful directed microwave radiation, the kind needed to excite water vapor. That's why we use a microwave oven and not a short-wave (HF) oven to heat food; only the microwave energy is useful for stimulating oscillation of the water molecules. HAARP is for HF jamming or OTH radar.----Now this is a little more believable because that's within the frequency range of HAARP's dipole antennas. Perhaps it could be used as a long range missile tracking system if built up. But there are so many better ways to do so that this seems unlikely. The Russians have long annoyed shortwave radio listeners with their over the horizon HF radar used to detect cruise missiles and aircraft that can't be seen with traditional microwave radars that are line of sight limited. HF can bounce off the ionosphere to peer beyond the horizon but this is old technology, mostly outdated anyway.HAARP is for mind control.------ ;D ;D ;D This seem the most ridiculous claim of all but it's really a confusion of disparate phenomena. Circumstantial evidence implicates ELF and ULF waves preceding certain natural phenomena which sometimes causes unusual behavioral responses in animals and very rarely in humans too. The most well known examples are strange animal behaviors just before earthquakes, but other stories also have some basis in fact. The science behind this has to do with the changes in magnetic fields and pressure on the rocks generating low frequency radio waves, and those waves and perhaps other radiation is interacting with biological processes. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to utilize this as an accurate earthquake predictor because the responses are so sporadic. No mind control is involved it's just a subtle response to secondary effects of some natural phenomenon, and animals are much more sensitive to small, unusual changes in their environment than your average senses-deadened TV viewing human. Furthermore, brain waves function over the range from 1 to 35 Hz, but radiation in this wavelength is omnipresent anyway and the only threat would be if the power was very strong and the source close. The mind control issue is pure radio talk show sensationalism. Even the CIA's MK-ULTRA direct pharmacological drugging experiments failed to generate any consistent responses in the victim population because perception colors outcome.To be succinct, serious claims have to be substantiated with some serious information. Unfortunately the supporting evidence for the nefarious capabilities attributed to HAARP by sensationalists and conspiracists alike is at base unsubstantiated and more often simply ludicrous. The real stuff is more interesting anyway. There is a abundant amount of disclosure on this project which for being a "top secret" weapon or advanced laser gun is pretty far fetched. If you actually look into it the managerial staff gives tours and even help q&A with a HAM radio study group set and disclose exact frequencies and designated job or details for such. Once again I must think for the Troofers out their physics and science is not out to get you. It is based entirely on documentation and recreating findings through such documents. If you actually dig a little you will find tons of testing and capability specs and what they are doing with this technology and again the only thing the DoD doesn't reveal is what they are planning to do with this technology!
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Post by redneckr0nin on Jul 18, 2011 7:47:40 GMT -4
I feel slightly depressed I missed this!
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