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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 29, 2012 15:57:21 GMT -4
I'm not overly sure that banning was the correct choice, however it sort of amazes me that even to the end, playdor could not concieve that his arguement was so badly wrong that destroying it point by point was, well pointless. When he clearly could not understand the difference between Force, Pressure, and Velocity, well no amount of explaination is going to help him.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 27, 2012 19:24:04 GMT -4
Several years ago some reputable users got into a conversation regarding the delta-V possible from a urine stream. I'll let them remain anonymous. Can't see that sort of thing being allowed on BAUT anymore...
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 25, 2012 19:08:00 GMT -4
Don't know if it's been posted, but for forthethrillofital, here's a real contradiction.
1) NASA faked Apollo over concern for the safety of the Astronauts lives. 2) NASA had anyone that might have been going to leak the details of the hoax murdered, including Astronuats Theodore Freeman, Elliot See, Charles Basset, Clifford C. Wiliams, Edward White, Rodger Chaffee, Gus Grissom, and Edward Givens.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 25, 2012 18:56:59 GMT -4
Regardless, people are going to accept anything that looks like a module because they don't think otherwise The problem is that some do think otherwise. One of the recurring arguments from conspiracy theorists is that the LM doesn't look like their idea of a spacecraft. So clearly, someone intending to perpetrate a hoax will want to make sure that those who do care and who do at least claim to think critically have something to appease them. For the rest, an "accurate" (i.e., what the lay public expects) isn't going to register any differently to their apathy. No only that, but for even us folk that aren't rocket scientists, if we honestly sat down and contemplated what a lander should look like, it's not that different to what the LM and even the LK really did look like. Basically the idea of a lightweight box on four stabilising legs with a rocket engine in the middle, set up into the box as high as one can get it is a pretty darn good shape to start with. The LM and LK were both more refined than that, but both had that basic shape.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 17:51:19 GMT -4
Do the astronauts themselves ever read this type of thing? I wonder how they might respond. "Truth needs no defense... Nobody, nobody can take those footsteps I made on the surface of the moon away from me." Eugene Cernan - Commander Apollo 17
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 17:07:39 GMT -4
Just one final note. The Flag was for the Vatican City State, which is not, and should not be confused with the Holy See.
Sooooooo, are we done here?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 16:54:38 GMT -4
So I did some more investigation. 135 national flags were taken to the moon on Apollo 11, and then sent to their respective nations with a small lunar sample. The flag of Vatican City was just one of the 135. www.collectspace.com/resources/moonrocks_apollo11.htmlSo to answer the question posed in the OP: No, unless you believe that the other 134 nations had their flags up there for the same reason. It also counters your assumption that Apollo and the US Flag were "a boasting of US power, might, and influence" in that their carrying of the 135 nation flags was a message (like the plaque left behind that reads "Here men from the planet Earth first set foot upon the Moon July 1969, A.D. We came in peace for all Mankind") that the mission was representative of ALL nations and mankind, not just a single nation trying to show off.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 16:47:45 GMT -4
Well for a start, you are making the assumption that there was a hoax, the science says otherwise. Instead of looking into the "social and cultural aspects" you need to look at the "scientific aspect" to get a good understanding of why it was real and not a hoax.
Second, what was your source of the claim that a flag of the Holy See was taken up, and on which "moon mission"? There were 9 lunar missions, six of which landed on it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 16:43:12 GMT -4
It would be important to have the photos in hand. Too risky any other way. You do realise that Apollo took place in the late 1960's early 1970's, before OSHA laws, and during a period of time when there was the Vietnam War going on and 1 in 3 test pilots were coming back from their flights in a body bag? Do you really think they cared about risk?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 24, 2012 1:03:42 GMT -4
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 23, 2012 15:25:15 GMT -4
Then I think you're either another sock or you have seriuos problems with reading threads before you respond to them. That post you responded to was over fifty pages ago.... I did read the whole thread. Not only is the guy a genius, he writes better than the rest of you. I don't know, you haven't read any of my fictional works to compare with his fictional ones.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 23, 2012 15:17:30 GMT -4
You go first then. On your list, the top contradiction is? When interviewed in 1970 Armstrong said he was certain there would be moon bases established in his lifetime. If that is not a contradiction and moreover a joke of a statement, I do not know what is. How is this contradictory? It was wrong (given the proviso that he's not finished his lifetime yet), but what did it contradict? In 1970, the Apollo program was still well underway, and the belief was that despite the cancellation of several of the later missions, that new and longer missions would be created, leading to exploration of Mars by the late 1990's. US Government policy on funding stopped that, and instead NASA ended up with the shuttle, which was pretty useless as far as exploration was concerned. Besides, Armstrong isn't dead yet, and had Obama not killed it, we'd now be seeing the first steps back to the moon and the building of a Base by 2020, so even with the delay created by the shuttle, there could have been a moon base established in Neil's lifetime, and if the Chinese keep going the way they plan, who knows, they might do it in his lifetime too.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 23, 2012 1:40:46 GMT -4
I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 21, 2012 20:37:05 GMT -4
It was sad that it never lived up to the potential and hype, it is sadder that the current US space program is now rather directionless.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 21, 2012 19:50:26 GMT -4
How about making 7 wounds with one bullet? Is that possible?
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