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Post by davidradich on Oct 3, 2011 3:59:21 GMT -4
I've been around several Native American Medicine men, and they take the concept of the Reptilians as a matter of their history and as a fact. All I can say, is that it is a very strange world out there and I have seen things that I can not explain... One time I met a US Senator (Spence Abraham R-Michigan) back about 18 years ago. When I shook his hand, his eyes did a weird shape shift on me. The whites completely disappeared and turned completely black and then back again. Was this a David Icke type of shape-shifting incident? I really don't know, but it creaped me out. Could it have been a trick of light? Maybe.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 3, 2011 3:49:31 GMT -4
Yeah, there's a reason courts don't just say, "Oh, you say you were framed? Oh, well, go on home, then." I was not even coming close to implying that one should be considered not guilty because they say they are framed. Don't twist my words. I am just saying that the JFK assassination is far from a case closed proposition.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 3, 2011 0:53:37 GMT -4
Let's Just say there are a lot more loose ends and evidence trails in the JFK assassination than there ever was in Apollo. There is lots of evidence pointing to conspiracy. The deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt for example, eye witnesses saying the shots came from the Grassy Knoll, The list goes on and on...Lots of this evidence has yet to be explained. The "Hoax" evidence for Apollo can be explained and that is why I believe we went to the moon. The way the LEM works can be explained. The "Magic Bullet Theory"....that is another piece of work all together. As for the deaths...there are some very interesting ones associated with the JFK murder. But of course these are not definitive proof either way. Still, Oswald claimed to be a "Patsy" and his death negated the possibility for a jury trial, so it is speculation at this time. Still, I subscribe to the idea that the powers behind the JFK murder are the powers that are in charge today. It is a fascinating debate.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 5:59:47 GMT -4
An Apollo Geek would like the film just for the hardware. And It wasn't really that bad acting and story wise, though again, it would have worked as a straight Sci Fi Horror movie (but I guess they wanted a gimick) It was not all that bad. Someone not interested in Apollo, might not care for it though.
And thanks for the correction.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 5:19:05 GMT -4
You also don't have a plethora of "mysterious deaths" of people who worked on Apollo. My favorite one is the loonie theory that the Apollo 1 fire was set to shut Gus Grissom up.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 5:17:48 GMT -4
Speaking of the Blackest NRO Spy satellite program...People do talk...eventually. That is why the JFK assassination had so many "Witnesses" die mysteriously. And yet lots of information has gotten out by old men with a conscience. You'd think that we would have some people talking by now. Those who have, were not even directly involved with Apollo and display a frightening lack of understanding when putting forth their arguments. The "evidence" of most moon hoaxers is swept away with common sense and often a public domain document from NASA or one of its contractors such as technical specs or manuals.
For example, I had one guy tell me that there was no way they could have fit the rover into the LEM...Yet I was able to show the guy photos of Jim Irwin and Dave Scott unpacking the thing in the clean room and several manuals and specs demonstrating how it folded up into one of the LEM's quadrants.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 3:03:35 GMT -4
One other note on the film "Apollo 18" I think the theme song should have been "Rock Lobster" By the B-52s.
Another note as well. The thing that bugs me about the film and the way it is presented...is that no doubtedly, there will be thousands of dunderheads running around thinking that this was real!
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 3:00:58 GMT -4
APOLLO 18 Movie Review.
This is going to be a slightly different kind of movie review, because I watched this film differently than I watch most movies.
I have always been a fanatic about the American space program, especially the Apollo program since I can remember back, I guess I would say that would be about Age 4 or 5. The idea that man had walked on the Moon was in my conscience since that time around 1975 or so and the glory of Apollo was still in our nation’s consciousness in a big way. In grade school, I always went to the library and checked out every damned book on Apollo, Mercury and Gemini that I could find. In adulthood I tracked down every one of those books at used book shops and finally found them and read and re-read them all, as well as any new books to come out. I even bought and thoroughly watched every minute of footage from every mission that was available.
As a kid, I was geeked going to the opening of the Michigan Space Center to see the Apollo 9 Capsule and to meet Astronauts Jim McDivitt (Commander, Gemini 4 and Commander, Apollo 9) and Al Worden (Command Module Pilot, Apollo 15). Then later in live doubly geeked to meet and chat with Dick Gordon (Command Module Pilot, Apollo 12). People have ripped on me for being a space nut, but I didn’t mind. And I have had the pleasure to make pilgrimages to the resting places of many of the Apollo, Gemini and Mercury space craft along with a special trip to Kennedy Space Center. I even did my thesis on Dr. Wehrner Von Braun, so I guess what I am saying, is I have a little background knowledge here.
So, obviously, despite not being a big fan of either the “Found footage” and or Horror genres, I had to see Apollo 18…It looked like the film makers might have actually done their homework.
And for the most part, I would say that they did. They most likely used sets and props from the masterfully done HBO mini series “From the Earth to the Moon” for this film and the producers actually must have picked up a manual or two, because they got most of the hardware, suits, etc right. For example, they used the A-7LB suits that were used on the Apollo J missions for both CDR and LMP. The suit used in scenes where the CMP wore the suit, was incorrect though, He had on the version of the A-7L Command Module Pilot suit worn by Jim Lovell on Apollo 8, but that is a detail only a total space geek would notice…And that is all I really noticed.
Obviously the premise of the film is pretty much bullsh*t, Apollo 17 was the last mission. Hiding a Saturn V launch would be impossible and none were launched in 1974 as the film says. Still my disbelief was able to be suspended because they did a pretty damn good job melding the stock footage (which to only someone as obsessive about Apollo as I, would notice) with the film’s footage. I was sitting there in my seat thinking to myself, “Yeah, this shot is from the Apollo 15 mission” but then they actually made an effort to keep the movie’s footage to match the configuration of the Command and Lunar module consistent with the real footage footage. (There were two basic configurations for Apollo Missions that landed on the Moon. G Missions which were Apollos 11-14 and J Missions, Apollos 15-17) The J Mission Command Module had a special equipment Bay and the LEM had the Rover attached to the side.
In a film with a similar theme “Transoformers: Dark Side of the Moon” They made some real continuity mistakes with the Apollo Hardware, that I spotted immediately. “Apollo-18” did a fairly good job satisfying the nit-picker in me. And I liked seeing the interiors of the LEM and other aspects of Apollo filmed in ways that were not really shown before.
What I really liked was the use of the Soviet LK lander in the film. They did a good job depicting this piece of hardware.
The plot was somewhat predictable and the acting was as good as one could expect with the “Blair Witch” formula, but I thought that the cast did an adequate and somewhat believable job, Except at the end when the stranded and infected astronaut argued with his Earthly superiors about returning. The fact is, the Apollo Astronauts in real life would have understood and accepted (BEFORE EVEN GOING TO THE MOON) that if they were obviously infected with a “moon bug” that could threaten the human race, that they would be expendable and not able to be allowed to come home. That was one of the risks in going. So seeing the astronaut at the end begging and pleading was not something that would have been done. Not only that, but the Command Module Pilot in orbit would have not attempted to rescue his buddies.
In the climax of the film, Moon organisms (Which looked like rocks that turn into spiders and can infect and take over a person), had infected one of the Astronauts, (The mission Commander) by getting into his suit. Now it was not necessarily clear how this happened, but one of the rock samples taken on the first EVA was one of these organisms, that presumably climbed into the suit while the Astronauts were sleeping. Anyhow, so the guy is infected with an unknown disease. End of story no return would have been allowed. The return was stopped by the LEM being damaged, so the astronauts go for a Soviet lander they found (along with a dead cosmonaut) and the Astronaut (The LMP) who is not sick tries to take off, but not before the commander goes apesh*t.
So here is this poor guy stuck inside the Soviet LK lander and he finally gets it working. He gets mission control on the horn and is told b y the Dept. Secretary of Defense “DON’T COME BACK” and that his family will be told he died a hero… I just can’t picture Jim Lovell, Alan Shepard or Neil Armstrong screaming and begging like a punk to this kind of news. That is where this film loses it.
Anyhow, I liked it for the most part. Still, I think they should have made it a straight science fiction film instead of passing it off as real footage. Spending some time on explaining a little about the creatures and having some real character development would have helped the movie. Still it was not the worst way to spend a Saturday afternoon. And the Space Geek in me loved seeing the Apollo and Soviet hardware.
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Post by davidradich on Oct 2, 2011 2:56:02 GMT -4
The best Apollo sources I have ever seen regarding convincing me that it really happened was the people I have met involved in Apollo. Dick Gordon, Al Worden and Jim McDivit, were all very good sources when I had the opportunity to talk with them. Somebody asked Gordon if Apollo was faked...His reply was that if it were, the Soviets would have called us out on it. That statement rang very true to me. Then there was my next door neighbor who had worked on Apollo and I had worked with a few other people as a quality consultant going from client to client. Some old timers at ILC Dover had some interesting stories and I also got to meet one of the LM simulator designers in my travels. All of these people seemed to believe it happened and they worked on the damned thing.
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