Apollo 20 hoax footage

[james]

Wow this garbage is still going on? Those video's were ridiculous and horribly made. Especially those Apollo 20 EVA video's. What's up with the LRV's high gain antenna being so reflective? And the astronauts movement in the EVA 1 video is really bad. It's pretty obvious that they were trying to show as little of the astronaut as possible to hide the fact that they couldn't animate it very well at all.

[seemoe]

i think those movies are just for fun. it doesnt take a genius to work out they are CGI. i dont think hes actually trying to fool us into thinking its real footage from apollo 20. maybe he just likes doing 3D graphics and decided to make a few videos?

[tedward]

Tyros eh? If memory serves, there was not a satellite in the original premiss which shot the 20 malarkey down as it was on the far side? Have they been taking notice of the dissection of the theory? Sounds like they should have stopped digging (if they are still seriously at it), that means someone built it, someone launched it, someone tracked it.

And, where 20 is supposedly meant to land (above my ken without a bit of brain ache to do the sums or someone can point the way), could you get a geo synchronous orbit around the moon that will have visibility of the earth and the landing site? Ignoring losses for the moment.
This one?


Edit. OK, think I have suggested a rum deal here. I was thinking along the lines of the earth and moon orbit a centre of mass. So there is a bit of a wobble but could this centre be used bay any satellite orbit that matches the moons rotation? Think I am out of my depth here.

[graham2001]

Oct 28, 2009 21:25:00 GMT -4 james said:

Wow this garbage is still going on? Those video's were ridiculous and horribly made. Especially those Apollo 20 EVA video's. What's up with the LRV's high gain antenna being so reflective? And the astronauts movement in the EVA 1 video is really bad. It's pretty obvious that they were trying to show as little of the astronaut as possible to hide the fact that they couldn't animate it very well at all.

The dialog in the 'EVA 1' vid seems to have been ripped from Apollo 14 based on the content I'd say it's from about the time they had problems with the hatch in the CSM/LM tunnel.

I'm trying to make a transcript of the dialog from the 'Apollo 19' vid to see if it is possible to identify the source.

Edit:

Here are what I would classify as the most interesting pair of Apollo '20' videos on you-tube, these clearly indicate that there was more than one hoaxer, one person holds the camera while the other pretends (badly) to be an astronaut performing an autopsy in the LM

1. Apollo 20 EBE Mona Lisa TV Unscheduled Transmission (MET 174)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqR8zDGIwMo

2. Apollo 20 EBE. Mona Lisa 16 mm Film
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKNlP7reus

Also, someone at wikipedia has put up a page of sorts discussing this including a claim I long suspected, that this 'material' (I'd use other words but I'd be banned if I did) is some form of post-modernist 'art' project.

See: Apollo 20 Hoax

[graham2001]

Oct 29, 2009 4:28:58 GMT -4 tedward said:

Tyros eh? If memory serves, there was not a satellite in the original premiss which shot the 20 malarkey down as it was on the far side? Have they been taking notice of the dissection of the theory? Sounds like they should have stopped digging (if they are still seriously at it), that means someone built it, someone launched it, someone tracked it.

And, where 20 is supposedly meant to land (above my ken without a bit of brain ache to do the sums or someone can point the way), could you get a geo synchronous orbit around the moon that will have visibility of the earth and the landing site? Ignoring losses for the moment.
This one?

I'm wondering if whoever made that vid was thinking of Harrison Schmitt's proposal to send Apollo 17 to Tsiolkovsky.

See: Beyond Apollo: Apollo 17 to Tsiolkovskii

I've found a debunking website that includes the coordinates of the landing site, it is near the crater Fermi on the side opposite Tsiolkovskiy crater.

See: tasfastas.googlepages.com/apollo20-pseudospaceship2

[dwight]

It would have been a grand proposal to see through to reality. However, the relay satellites proposed for such a mission would not have had the bandwidth capacity to allow television to be sent to earth. Had such a mission occured, it is more than likely that we would only have had 16mm film, photos and voice comms ala Apollo 12.

[tedward]

Oh I was just pondering the satellite where it needs to be sans loss and budgets etc. One in orbit around the moon would not be visible overhead, or indeed to any dish tracking it although usable time would be increased, for long I assume? Be nice to have a look see as to how that works out (project for later). So then I thought geostationary but the the moon turns once in a long period and is in orbit around another body but could it be a lot further out and now I am in the realms of dragons and sea monsters (for me).

Edit also such a satellite has to be visible to the earth at the same time, otherwise its no good as a relay. Unless of course the premiss is snippets here and there.

[tedward]

Oct 30, 2009 7:21:04 GMT -4 graham2001 said:

I'm wondering if whoever made that vid was thinking of Harrison Schmitt's proposal to send Apollo 17 to Tsiolkovsky.

See: Beyond Apollo: Apollo 17 to Tsiolkovskii

I've found a debunking website that includes the coordinates of the landing site, it is near the crater Fermi on the side opposite Tsiolkovskiy crater.

See: tasfastas.googlepages.com/apollo20-pseudospaceship2

Doh! Should have read your links before replying. Cheers.

[Ginnie]

That's one big mothership - it reckons to be about 2.5 kilometres in length.

[graham2001]

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread, but the Apollo 20 story has finally reached the forum for the Orbiter Space Flight simulator and it seems that the hoaxer has continued to make films and is now using Orbiter to provide the footage.

See:

1. Apollo 20 on Orbiter (Start of thread)

2. Apollo 20 on Orbiter (Posts where Orbiter is identified as a source of some footage)

3. The Hoaxers(?) current youtube page

[inconceivable]

These last two flights could have been a joint venture like ASTP? Didn't they have three Saturn V left? Maybe they launched from another country.

[laurel]

Dec 23, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

These last two flights could have been a joint venture like ASTP? Didn't they have three Saturn V left?

Didn't you bother to see if those three Saturn Vs were accounted for before you made yet another seagull post? Guess not.

[echnaton]

Dec 23, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

These last two flights could have been a joint venture like ASTP? Didn't they have three Saturn V left? Maybe they launched from another country.

One of the flight rated S-V's is laying on its side at the JSC. If they were flown where were they launched from? Do you think that NASA can hide a S-V launch and explain it away as a missile test?

[kallewirsch]

Dec 23, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

Maybe they launched from another country.

Launching a Saturn V is a little bit different then starting a fireworks rocket. You need infrastructure to do that! Not to mention the capabilities to bring the SaturnV in pieces to that country, to assemble it, bring it to the start tower, have some control center, etc. etc.

Just make a visit to the Cape and take a look at the VAB (Vehicle Assembly Building). Quite impressive in its size. There is no way, you can build such a thing without hundreds of people noticing it.
And thats just for the assembly. You need to bring the rocket to the launch pad. Have you seen some pictures of the moving platforms used for that? There is no way you could bring one of these anywhere without even more hundreds of people noticing it.
When a Saturn V launched, it could be heared in half of Florida. There really is no way, anybody could launch a Saturn V without at least half a million people noticing it.

[blackstar]

Dec 27, 2010 20:03:36 GMT -4 kallewirsch said:

Dec 23, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -4 inconceivable said:

Maybe they launched from another country.

Launching a Saturn V is a little bit different then starting a fireworks rocket. You need infrastructure to do that! Not to mention the capabilities to bring the SaturnV in pieces to that country, to assemble it, bring it to the start tower, have some control center, etc. etc.

Just make a visit to the Cape and take a look at the VAB (Vehicle Assembly Building). Quite impressive in its size. There is no way, you can build such a thing without hundreds of people noticing it.
And thats just for the assembly. You need to bring the rocket to the launch pad. Have you seen some pictures of the moving platforms used for that? There is no way you could bring one of these anywhere without even more hundreds of people noticing it.
When a Saturn V launched, it could be heared in half of Florida. There really is no way, anybody could launch a Saturn V without at least half a million people noticing it.

And there's the small problem of where in the world could they trust to put a copy of the most advanced space launch ground system then available? A place that could launch on the right trajectory for the mission and be considered secure?