Apollo 20 hoax footage

[graham2001]

scooter said:

From a low (60nm) lunar orbit, it seems like the CSM was moving awfully slowly as it passed over the "ship". Either that, or the CSM was in a very high orbit, and the photog was using a very powerful telephoto lens. If this was the case, the scribed numbers on the windows would not be visible.

From my read of the transcript, it would appear that the faker intends this footage to be seen as being taken from the LEM during touchdown.

I thought it might be worthwhile to search on the crater name and got the following threads from various conspiracy sites, if anyone wonders why this sort of thing has to be taken seriously read on:

1. GLP

2. ATM

3. Alt.Conspiracy

The last mission was Apollo 17. Apollo 18-20 were cancelled.
(According to the official pap, anyway.)

4. APOLLO 20 ALIEN SHIP CONTROVERSY

This last is a site which links to this thread in its opening paragraph...

Also here are wikipedia entries for three of the craters mentioned in the 'flyby' film

Delporte

Litke, in the video its referred to as 'Lutke(sic)'.

Izsak referred to as 'Izak(sic)' and 'Iszak(sic)' in the fakers other vids.

[sts60]

Three of them begin with a picture of both the 1960's NASA logo and that of the USAF Space Command logo, presumably the faker intends to claim that the 'secret mission' was one carried out by the USAF.

If they're claiming that any Apollo mission flew was sponsored by the USAF Space Command, it should be noted that entity was created in 1982.

[gillianren]

graham2001 said:

Three of them begin with a picture of both the 1960's NASA logo and that of the USAF Space Command logo, presumably the faker intends to claim that the 'secret mission' was one carried out by the USAF. However if that is the case why is there a Russian on board .

Oh, everyone knows the Cold War was a hoax!

[graham2001]

sts60 said:

Three of them begin with a picture of both the 1960's NASA logo and that of the USAF Space Command logo, presumably the faker intends to claim that the 'secret mission' was one carried out by the USAF.

If they're claiming that any Apollo mission flew was sponsored by the USAF Space Command, it should be noted that entity was created in 1982.

I'm guessing that he's just claiming that the mission was run by the USAF rather than NASA. The description in the 'Apollo 20' launch shot claims that it launched from Vandenberg and was presumably run from there. (http://tinyurl.com/ypl22f)

It might also explain why he shows the rocket in flight, as:

a) Vandenberg was never fitted out to launch Saturn V rockets.

b) The terrain is totally different

[sts60]

Not to mention that launching an Apollo mission from Vandenberg would have necessitated it flying over the continental U.S., which would have attracted a great deal of attention;

[PhantomWolf]

Bob pointed this out on page 1;

bob said:

an Apollo mission could never launch out of Vandenberg. Apollo must launch eastward to insert into the proper parking orbit. Vandenberg handles only southward launches for injection into polar orbits. An eastward launch from Vandenberg means over-flying populated areas, thus such launches are prohibited. Vandenberg would never have any involvement in an Apollo mission.

[Waspie_Dwarf]

sts60 said:

Not to mention that launching an Apollo mission from Vandenberg would have necessitated it flying over the continental U.S., which would have attracted a great deal of attention;

Not least when the spent 1st stage impacted the ground about 640km inland.

[Count Zero]

Yeah, but that's in the Arizona desert. The 2nd stage would land ~2,400 nm downrange, which puts it in the heavily-populated southeastern US.

[sts60]

phantomwolf said:

Bob pointed this out on page 1;

bob said:

an Apollo mission could never launch out of Vandenberg. Apollo must launch eastward to insert into the proper parking orbit. Vandenberg handles only southward launches for injection into polar orbits. An eastward launch from Vandenberg means over-flying populated areas, thus such launches are prohibited. Vandenberg would never have any involvement in an Apollo mission.

Doh! Sorry, Bob. Can I be ToSeeked if he's not on this board?

[sts60]

countzero said:

Yeah, but that's in the Arizona desert.

And might have landed on my head, 'cuz that's where I lived at the time. So I would have had some objections to that.

[graham2001]

phantomwolf said:

Bob pointed this out on page 1;

bob said:

an Apollo mission could never launch out of Vandenberg. Apollo must launch eastward to insert into the proper parking orbit. Vandenberg handles only southward launches for injection into polar orbits. An eastward launch from Vandenberg means over-flying populated areas, thus such launches are prohibited. Vandenberg would never have any involvement in an Apollo mission.

But it's still worth restating, as it's the scenario the faker is trying to push ahead of their alleged 'big revelations' in September...

As far as I can figure out from the videos themselves and the comments made by the faker on YouTube, this is what they are trying to peddle on the credulous:

During Apollo 15/17 an 'anomaly' was spotted on the lunar surface near the crater Izsak, this was determined to be an alien spacecraft and while publicly canceling Apollo 18-20 the USAF prepared a launchpad at Vandenberg AFB capable of handing a Saturn V rocket.

Eventually on the 16th of August 1976 everything was ready and Apollo 20 lifted off from Vandenberg on its secret mission with a crew consisting of two Bell Inc employees (William Rutledge & Leona Snyder) & Cosmonaut Alexi Leonov .

Upon arrival they discovered an abandoned Alien spacecraft (billions of years old) and an alien city. They recovered artifacts from both and returned to Earth, where all this was covered in thick veil of secrecy...

Now of course the truth must be revealed to the world...

Vandenberg was chosen because it's the place where all the Air Force related launches take place and of course if the faker is ignorant of US geography/launch trajectories then it's simplicity to claim that the launch was over the sea or other uninhabited region.

[Count Zero]

sts60 said:

countzero said:

Yeah, but that's in the Arizona desert.

And might have landed on my head, 'cuz that's where I lived at the time. So I would have had some objections to that.

Come to think of it, so was I. I lived in Tucson from 1970 through '73.

[sts60]

Hey, I lived on the north side between the foothills and the Catalinas, from '68 to about '81. I was in elementary school at the time.

[PhantomWolf]

Well while admittedly my guessimation is by trying to use Google maps... [tinhat]they dropped the first stage on White Sands[/tinhat]

[Count Zero]

sts60 said:

Hey, I lived on the north side between the foothills and the Catalinas, from '68 to about '81. I was in elementary school at the time.

Wow, small world! I lived ~1mile east of the University, 7 blocks south of Himmel Park. I was at Sam Hughes Elementary from the 1st to 4th grade.

Back to the topic: Based on on an average of the historical impact ranges , the first stage would come down roughly 355 nm (410 miles) downrange - somewhere along the Colorado river, between California & Arizona. The second stage would come down in the Atlantic, between Cape Hatteras and the Bahamas.

Incidentally, I note that Vandenburg is several degrees of latitude north of Canaveral. This would require a bit more delta-v to make orbit, and still more to get on a lunar trajectory. I'll leave it to you boffins to figure out how much.