It is depressing....

[Bill Thompson]

I find it pretty depressing trying to convince die-hard hoax believes that the Apollo landings were real.

It is simular to convincing a Biblical Fundamenatalist that the entire Earth was never flooded.

It is simular to trying to tell anyone in Texas about the points Posner makes in his book about the JFK shootings

It is simular to trying to convince a die-hard sci fi buff that the SETI@Home project is a long-shot according to Fermi's Paradox.

All these things are depressing because people fail to have an open mind but it is also depressing because these people are human beings and members of our own species. It is sad that the human race seems to be an unintelligent one.

Is there any hope for us all?

[mitrabor]

billthompson said:

All these things are depressing because people fail to have an open mind

Not all of us Bill.............

[rustylander]

I find it pretty depressing trying to convince die-hard hoax believes that the Apollo landings were real.

I find it frustrating trying to convince die-hard Apollo believers that the landings were hoaxed.

It is simular to convincing a Biblical Fundamenatalist that the entire Earth was never flooded

But the entire Earth was flooded so ...?

All these things are depressing because people fail to have an open mind but it is also depressing because these people are human beings and members of our own species. It is sad that the human race seems to be an unintelligent one.

How true. Those who only believe the "official" version of events are so closed-minded aren't they, and particularly those who fail to even geniunely consider other possiblities.

Is there any hope for us all?

I still like to think some of you will wake up to the evil people behind the world system and how they are masters of illusion. Yes, I still believe there's hope for you Bill.

[PhantomWolf]

I find it frustrating trying to convince die-hard Apollo believers that the landings were hoaxed.

Well Rusty, perhaps if you actually spent some time lerning about the missions and the sciences behind them, rather than basing your entire belief system on the US Govt being the anti-Christ, you actually might understand why.

[sts60]

I find it frustrating trying to convince die-hard Apollo believers that the landings were hoaxed.

Why don't you head on over to the Apollo-hoax forum and make some specific claims to back up this assertion? It's been pretty quiet over there since stargazer stomped off...

[Bill Thompson]

If I were to assume that you are not joking (and I assume you are), I would say this:

I think the idea that there is a world order behind "the illusions" (delusions to the rest of us) is a symptom of paranoia and there are medications for that (yes, I know, you think they are mind control drugs, right?)

I believe in a higher power, so don't use the straw man attack. I just don't think the higher power is an invisible man who lives in the sky like Merlin and makes magic on us for his glee, like the biblical flood's literal interpretation.

The Great Flood idea is a topic for another forum, I suggest you find one and I suggest you find one that challenges your notion rather than feeds it. If there was a great flood there would be evidence everywhere. Instead there is evidence nowhere.

But us going to the moon is evident because it was watched by dozens of radio telescopes both professional and amateurs. They are precise pointing instruments and so this could not have been faked. The astronauts were seen going into the rocket, and heard going all the way up and going all the way down. Then the cameras were there watching as the capsule emerged in the sky and spashed down and the entire world saw them get out. How did they fake that?

I think that there is a religious angle to why people want to believe that human beings did not walk on the moon. It is like a Tower of Babble syndrome or something.

My sister-in-law was in Saudi Arabia when she was a child and she noticed that when people walked on the moon the people in the public square where she saw the event did not believe it. There, in a culture immersed in religion and customs where human beings are taught to be servants to Allah, was this fuzzy image on television of a man walking around supposedly on the moon. How can we expect it would be easy for them to believe?

What if people do not believe because they are incapable of believing because the culture had pounded into their brains that it is not possible for people to conquer the "heavens" like that?

Like everyone else, all we know is what we have experienced and been led to believe.

In this sense, the HB's might not be such idiots – no more than we are idiots for believing in ETI's high probable existence since this has been pounded into our heads by our American Culture -- and Bart Sibrel might just think of himself as a businessman exploiting a niche.

[lenbrazil]

What happened to Rusty did quit? He was the most ammusing CT on this forum.

DH has gome MIA too! Funny I suspected they were really the same person.

[LunarOrbit]

Yeah, it looks like Rusty deleted his account.

[Bill Thompson]

Did I make too much sense or something?

Oy lenbrazil! It is good to see a Brazilian here.

Minha esposa e brasileira. Ela e natural de Campos dos Goitacazes, Rio de Janeiro. Terra do ex-governador do estado. Nosso sonho e conhecer Olinda e Recife. Deve ser muito lindo.

Not to be rude, what I just said is that my in-law is from Brazil and stuff about some cities in Brazil

[lenbrazil]

billthompson said:

Did I make too much sense or something?

I think we all made too much sense for Rusty. I imagine that most of the woo-woos* that have come and gone were used to other forums where other woo-woos took what they said seriously and unquestioningly. This boosted their egos and lead them to believe they could turn some heads here. Instead we able to easily debunk their ludicrous theories and claims to the point where they had to if even ever so slightly question their beliefs. This combination of frustration and anxiety lead them to flee. It’s just a theory.

I suspected that Rusty didn’t really believe the nonsense he spouted but played the part of “court jester” because he found it amusing, just like I had fun playing the part of a loon on the Paul McCartney thread. But due to his unceremonious departure I believe he really believed most of it.

I convinced it’s impossible to come up with a conspiracy theory so ludicrous that you couldn’t get people to believe it. That IS depressing.

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i]Oy

[/i] lenbrazil! It is good to see a Brazilian here.

Minha esposa e brasileira. Ela e natural de Campos dos Goitacazes, Rio de Janeiro. Terra do ex-governador do estado. Nosso sonho e conhecer Olinda e Recife. Deve ser muito lindo.

Not to be rude, what I just said is that my in-law is from Brazil and stuff about some cities in Brazil[/quote]

I’m an American but I’ve been living in Brazil since ’93. There is an honest to goodness Brazilian here (Jairo) .
If you ever realize you dream and come round these parts send me a PM. Your Portuguese is very good, did your wife help you? Did you ever live here?

Len

PS – “Garotinha” nao e do Campos tanbem?

*Turbonium I know you’re sensitive about that word (woo-woo), I don’t place you in that category.

[Bill Thompson]

I also think that all this is a matter of either "getting it" or "not getting it". And if you don't get it, I think you never will. I know this sounds vague. The best way I can explain is by a couple of examples.

Example #1

Consider the following sentance. "How can something be both new and improved at the same time?"

Now, either you get it -- understand what that means and appreciate it -- or you don't. Either you read or hear this statement and say "ah... I see" or you say "sure, that is easy...." and go into some simple examples where this marketing expression has been applied in the past. Either it sinks into your brain or it bounces off.

Example #2

When the SETI@HOME project came out me and my friends were very excited about it and we downloaded their screen saver onto our computers. We were completely taken in by the whole promise and the program.

But that changed when I heard of a man named Enrico Fermi and his keen observation. Just like the example above, I got it. I could visualise what is known as "Fermi's Paradox" and what it meant. Suddenly, although there are billions of stars out there like our sun, the liklihood of getting a radio signal from ETI seemed like a long-shot.

I think that might be it in a nut shell for a lot of HB's. If they don't get it, maybe they never will.

lenbrazil said:

I’m an American but I’ve been living in Brazil since ’93. There is an honest to goodness Brazilian here (Jairo) who coincidentally lives in Jaboatao, which like Olinda is part of greater Recife.

If you ever realize you dream and come round these parts send me a PM. Your Portuguese is very good, did your wife help you? Did you ever live here?

Len

PS – “Garotinha” nao e do Campos tanbem?

Sim.
And yes, my wife did help me a bit.
E ella diz, "O casal super corrupto!"


Thank you for your kind offer. I will PM you when I am in the area. It might be a while though.