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Post by lazarusty on May 19, 2008 2:50:15 GMT -4
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Post by Grand Lunar on May 19, 2008 6:21:07 GMT -4
So what?
Millions of Americans believe Creationism over evolution.
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 19, 2008 17:17:47 GMT -4
I dig a bit deeper before calling the role at a&e "architectural and engineering professionals." They have very few actual licenced structural engineers (mostly retired or in non-appropriate areas) or qualified architects.
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Post by lazarusty on May 20, 2008 0:28:57 GMT -4
I dig a bit deeper before calling the role at a&e "architectural and engineering professionals." They have very few actual licenced structural engineers (mostly retired or in non-appropriate areas) or qualified architects. That's a bit of a sweeping statement, isn't it?
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Post by tedward on May 20, 2008 1:50:56 GMT -4
It would be nice to know who and how qualified when claiming things like this. Bit like saying there is a whole list of people that back up the moon landing, made up of very qualified technicians. Dental technicians that is.
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Post by Jason on May 20, 2008 10:53:35 GMT -4
There is a petition signed by 31,000 scientists, including 9,000 Ph.D.s that there is insufficient evidence that Global Warming is caused by human activity and urging the U.S. government to reject measures to control carbon emissions. You can see it at www.petitionproject.org/, where you can also see all the names. Do you suppose that resolves the issue?
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Post by PhantomWolf on May 20, 2008 16:30:20 GMT -4
That's a bit of a sweeping statement, isn't it? Did you bother checking it? I've known about ae911T since it was created, the guy that runs it has so many basic errors in his claims that many consider him little more than a joke. As to the list, if you look closer there are few real experts there, and not one of those that could be considered such has bothered to actually write a peer reviewed paper for a reputable Engineering Journal. S4TJ911 has a better reputation, and they even have fictional characters on their roster.
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Post by jaydeehess on Jul 18, 2008 18:21:43 GMT -4
They can call their group anything they want and in fact they have a few actual engineers and architects there. The bulk of the membership over there however are not or have no more relevent experience to bring to the discussion than most without engineering or architecture training , which PW has pointed out.
The contentions that Gage makes have been addressed and debunked.
One of Gage's favorite topics is the results of polls concerning how people feel about the reporting of events of 9/11. Is Mr.Gage now also a statistician? Can we believe his slanted interpretation of those polls any more than one that might be given by George W. Bush? This simply illustrates that Gage is quite happy to step out of his area of expertise but cloak it in an aura of expertise because he is an architect.
So what of the 'other side' of the equation. Does Bazant make public proclamations outside of his expertise? NO! Does NIST? No!
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Post by gwiz on Jul 19, 2008 10:04:57 GMT -4
One of Gage's supporters seems to have been checking things out for himself. This is the result.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 19, 2008 14:06:07 GMT -4
Actually Gregory isn't a Gage supporter, he's closer to a fence sitter, but one that is actually trying to do things himself to work out the situation. While he tends to lean towards the truth movement, he does command a lot of respect from the debunkers because he gets off his backside and does the work himself, he critically analyses both sides and has shown valid errors in NIST and Bazant's workings. He was the first and only truther I know of to have come to the conclusion and acknowledged that the fire/damage/gravity based collapse senario is in fact viable and that the buildings would have collapsed complete once it had initiated. He still has suspicions about things, but he's working through them.
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Post by nomuse on Aug 1, 2008 3:46:00 GMT -4
What's also interesting is that the text of the petition says nothing about a cover-up, official involvement, explosives, or anything else; it merely asks for a full independent investigation into the details of the collapses. Were I a professional in the field, I might be tempted to sign that myself -- just because more information is a good thing, and I'd love to have a second opinion on how best to protect MY next building from airplane impacts and fires. (What would dissuade me is the unsaid luggage of the petition; that it is promoted by truthers and expects to find evidence of a government conspiracy.)
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Post by yodaluver28 on Aug 10, 2008 5:10:34 GMT -4
There is a petition signed by 31,000 scientists, including 9,000 Ph.D.s that there is insufficient evidence that Global Warming is caused by human activity and urging the U.S. government to reject measures to control carbon emissions. You can see it at www.petitionproject.org/, where you can also see all the names. Do you suppose that resolves the issue? Considering that the Oregon Petition Project has never made clear how they verify their signatories' credientials, the fact that the vast majority of signatories' degrees are in engineering or general science, and that only about 300 signatories are actual climate scientists still actively involved in research(a very small percentage of the climate science community), I'd say, no.
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Post by Jason on Aug 10, 2008 18:40:57 GMT -4
Exactly my point. My point was that petitions can't decide which of two alternate theories is correct.
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Post by stutefish on Aug 11, 2008 13:37:44 GMT -4
Exactly my point. My point was that petitions can't decide which of two alternate theories is correct. So much for my plan of conclusively proving that Destro is COBRA's most awsome member.
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Post by Jason on Aug 11, 2008 14:03:14 GMT -4
Exactly my point. My point was that petitions can't decide which of two alternate theories is correct. So much for my plan of conclusively proving that Destro is COBRA's most awsome member. Destro? Please. Both The Baronness and/or Cobra Commander would win handily over Destro.
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