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Post by PeterB on Sept 7, 2005 21:08:45 GMT -4
So why are the authorities setting up a morgue in an adjacent town and bringing all the bodies there to be X-rayed, fingerprinted and DNA tested?
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Post by PeterB on Sept 7, 2005 21:15:15 GMT -4
Um, perhaps we could expand on this, too. In your mind, does *every* futuristic sci-fi movie contain a nugget of truth about what will happen in the future? "Lost in Space", "Gattaca", "The Island", "Aliens", "Predator", "Battlefield Earth", "Paycheck", "Star Trek", "Solaris", "Spaceballs"?
Just where is the evidence for this? And I don't mean other people saying the same thing. I mean people providing actual documented evidence.
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Post by PeterB on Sept 7, 2005 21:23:14 GMT -4
I just did a little search for reports of the levees being blown. People either heard explosions, or heard reports that the levees were blown. No direct evidence.
Perhaps these people could explain how the explosions could not have been anything else blowing up...
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Post by echnaton on Sept 7, 2005 21:58:15 GMT -4
Personally I think they're demons, but there ya go. This is a major source of our disagreement here. You live in a world in which you see many things being caused by supernatural actors working out a eschatological plan, where as many others here, including myself, live in a world with only human actors and natural processes. This is a major divide, and one that can not be easily crossed to find common ground. As long as you argue from this belief most here will find you to be irrational and credulous. I don’t know how one can make a persuasive case against a religious belief. No one could talk me out of my belief in the existence of God, because that belief is derive from deeply felt emotional experiences that give richness to my life but defy logic. However, I learned long ago that God does not tell me much directly but gave me the mind to learn. The tools of the mind do not negate God for me, but let me learn about nature. One of the major things I have learned is that the human desire to predict God’s actions is hubris. We simply cannot understand enough to box God in to a specific course of action. As long as you persist in this line of argument with this board, you will find immense frustration because many here simply do not have the same preconceived conclusions about supernatural direction on which you base your arguments.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 7, 2005 23:46:04 GMT -4
The fires are caused by damaged gaslines, there are even areas were the gas is bubbling up from under the flood waters resulting in what looks like buring water.
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Post by rustylander on Sept 8, 2005 0:38:34 GMT -4
Let's see if some of you are so smug and still in denial by the end of the month.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Sept 8, 2005 0:41:01 GMT -4
Is that when the world is going to end? Cool... just in time for my 30th birthday!
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Post by PeterB on Sept 8, 2005 0:56:13 GMT -4
Rusty Lander said:
Let's see indeed. In the meantime, would you like to address some of the questions I asked of your original post, please.
Ta.
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Post by rocketdad on Sept 8, 2005 1:16:48 GMT -4
Let's see if some of you are so mug and still in denial by the end of the month. I find it interesting that your religious beliefs give you so much fear and anxiety.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Sept 8, 2005 2:13:05 GMT -4
Personally I think they're demons, but there ya go. This is a major source of our disagreement here. You live in a world in which you see many things being caused by supernatural actors working out a eschatological plan, where as many others here, including myself, live in a world with only human actors and natural processes. This is a major divide, and one that can not be easily crossed to find common ground. As long as you argue from this belief most here will find you to be irrational and credulous. I don’t know how one can make a persuasive case against a religious belief. No one could talk me out of my belief in the existence of God, because that belief is derive from deeply felt emotional experiences that give richness to my life but defy logic. However, I learned long ago that God does not tell me much directly but gave me the mind to learn. The tools of the mind do not negate God for me, but let me learn about nature. One of the major things I have learned is that the human desire to predict God’s actions is hubris. We simply cannot understand enough to box God in to a specific course of action. As long as you persist in this line of argument with this board, you will find immense frustration because many here simply do not have the same preconceived conclusions about supernatural direction on which you base your arguments. Nice post up to your last paragraph. As a Christian, I believe the Bible was divinely inspired. In it, God, through His prophets, plainly tells us what's going to happen and that He's not going to change His mind about it, so I'm not putting Him in a box. He put Himself in one, and He will deliver, as He always does. That's what I love about Him. I can count on Him to do what He says He'll do. But I don't base my arguments on scripture unless we're discussing religion. I base my belief that there are demonically -inspired conspiracies on my religious beliefs which are based on God's Word. For example, I know that an oppressive global government will finally take over the earth. I know that it will be headed by a man that many will believe to be the messiah and that his right-hand man will be a religious leader. That religious leader will cause everyone on earth to take the mark and those who don't will be killed. The temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and that world leader will desecrate it. There will be world war, the Jews will nearly be annihilated and there will be great signs in the heavens and natural disasters on earth of a magnitude that boggles the mind. I know this because the Word of God says so. But scripture doesn't give me all the details. I believe this government probably won't arise overnight, although it could, and that if I watch current events I'll see things begin to fall into line for the prophecies to be fulfilled. The Verichip, for example. Military and government officials are touting it as a good thing and they're getting chipped. While the current subcutaneous chip isn't the mark of the beast, I can't help but believe it is a precursor to the prophesied mark. The nations are aligning themselves against Israel, as prophesied, and there are wars and rumors of wars. Noteworthy is Jesus' statement that the last days of earth will be like it was in the days of Noah. If you understand Genesis 6 you know He's referring to human/angel hybrids. That's why I think the alien deception is actually a demonic deception. Those critters have an intense interest in collecting our eggs and sperm and earth scientists have an unholy interest in genetic engineering. It's not proof and I admit that. But the proof will come in the form of eyewitness observation by every man on earth one of these days. Unfortunately, most of their minds will have been darkened because they didn't love the truth and they will be deluded into thinking it's all good and hate those who stand against these practices. That's something we're seeing already. Who does society hate? Those who condemn what they do. I'm watching for the signs of the times. There's a tremendous amount of information to consider and I believe and am certain (but cannot prove) that our media covers up a lot of wrongdoing and is controlled by the wrongdoers. Words are failing me. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
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Post by PeterB on Sept 8, 2005 3:25:29 GMT -4
Dead Hoosiers said:
Do you have any evidence for a year for this? These events could happen in 10 years time or 10,000 years time.
This happened 60 years ago.
Plague killed perhaps a third of Europe's population in the 6th century. The Black Death killed one-third of Europe's population in the mid-14th century. No natural disaster has come close to them in effect in Europe since then.
But why now? What's to stop it being some time in the future after you die?
Nations have been aligning themselves against Israel since 1948. And before that, the Roman Empire aligned itself against the Jewish people very successfully from 66 to 70, and again from 135 to 138.
There have been wars and rumours of war every day since Jesus was around. That sort of prophecy is hardly going to narrow down the times.
But while we're about it, why is it that all the Gospels quote Jesus as saying that the End Times he predicted would come while some of the people he was speaking to were still alive. I think it was Saint Augustine who pointed out these sorts of problems about 1600 years ago, and he *was* living in troublesome times.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 8, 2005 5:58:35 GMT -4
In all fairness it is only the three Synoptic Gospels and the word could have either of two two meanings, just as the prophecy itself appears to have two filfulments. The first time was fulfiled in the days of that generation itself when Jerusalem was destroyed, the second and complete forfilment would be at a later date, before that -race- has passed away.
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Post by echnaton on Sept 8, 2005 9:05:06 GMT -4
Dead Hoosiers,
I understand what you are saying, and I certainly don’t want to take this thread into a never ending theological discussion. I will just stand with my earlier comments and let you stand with yours.
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Post by sts60 on Sept 8, 2005 14:58:38 GMT -4
Let's see if some of you are so smug and still in denial by the end of the month.
I guarantee I will be, at least by your point of view.
But what exactly do you expect to see happen to give me my comeuppance?
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Post by sts60 on Sept 8, 2005 14:59:55 GMT -4
Also, do you expect your new predictions will beat your .050 batting average that we worked out on the old apollohoax board?
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