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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 15:36:59 GMT -4
Incidently, Snopes also debunks the folded $20 that started this thread. It doesn't. It says that the grey color given to this statement "identifies items of indeterminate origin or unclassifiable veracity. " of course, it was ppl's observation, not some US report.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 15:43:56 GMT -4
In this case, the gray means "might be true, but is essentially meaningless." They show how the $20 can also be folded to spell "Osama" too.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 15:45:11 GMT -4
www.uni-muenster.de/PeaCon/global-texte/g-notes/BinLaden-Carlyle.htmhowever, some other sources say that his family has denounced him(Bin Laden). So, it should be O.K for Bush to deal with him. But his family, I think, even if denounced him, should have been interrogated, but this all out of my experience. but seems to break relations only publicly www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a94familydisownyes, so doesn't disprove it. I find these as little things with respect to what other facts are mentioned in the site I gave you. But that lottery thing, , only if someone can play with the numbers on my birthday , that is, also coincidentially, on September 11, and win the lottery
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 16:09:08 GMT -4
"Sept. 11/2001 The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later." Now that's important info. Bin Laden's brother and his family....family went with no questioning.. like I said, food for thought The 9/11 Commission report states that the relatives of Bin Laden's family left on September 20th ( not "two days" after the attack) and that 22 of the 26 people on the flight were interviewed by the FBI and said they had no recent contact with Osama (called "Usama" in the report) or any knowledge of the attacks. The report also notes that the FBI had been following these family members closely since the '93 attacks - long before 9/11.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 16:43:36 GMT -4
www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/Book28.htmlquote:"Two days after the 9/11 attacks, the White House authorized Saudi jets to fly 140 Saudi citizens, 24 of whom were immediate relatives of Bin Laden, to Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile, all other airplanes were grounded in the United States. The members of the bin Laden family were never questioned by United States authorities. Government records showed that the FBI played a very active role in helping Saudis to leave the United States immediately after 9/11. The FBI gave personal airport escorts to two prominent Saudi families who fled the United States, and several other Saudis were allowed to leave the country without first being interviewed. (Craig Unger, House of Bush; House of Saud; New York Times, March 27, 2005) " so either the New York Times or the FBI are lying. I really don't know who to believe in this vast amount of info on the internet. But remember, money is everything in life. If America had these strong financial relations with Bin laden, then Bush wouldn't sacrifice these interests just for the sake of "fighting terrorism". I think I still have to read a lot before coming to a conclusion about this issue. I have read during this search I did on the net that Bush ordered certain constraints on interviewing Saudis, for the sake of the relationship btw the two countries proably. Maybe this lead to the flight of Saudis without real interrogations. Maybe they were flied to Saudi Arabia for their own protection, as I read on another site. Anyhow, the internet is full about that Carlyle Organizationand Bin Laden.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 10, 2006 16:51:26 GMT -4
So you believe in "guilt by association"? If your brother commits a murder, are you as guilty of the crime as he is? Should you be thrown in prison?
The Bin Laden family is huge, and until proven otherwise only one of them had any involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
Wrong.
From the 9/11 Commission Report:
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 17:02:25 GMT -4
read well:
No. But if I declare publicly that I denounce my brother but practically support him, and if my brother has a video tape thanking God for the family/sister who has understood his path, then, this renders me guilty and shouldn't be dealt with. Of course, I can't know for sure if his family denounced him only publicly, like his brother who met Bush. I don't know if that particular brother had good connections with him, but as usual, Bush's stupidity in denying the planes, as written above, casts doubt on the issue further.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 17:09:24 GMT -4
so either the New York Times or the FBI are lying. I really don't know who to believe in this vast amount of info on the internet. In this case I trust the 9/11 Commission report over the New York Times. The 9/11 commission was bi-partisan, while the New York Times has made it clear that they are anti-Bush. The key to deciding what to believe on the Internet is to look for the poster's agenda and to look for confirmation from other sources.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 17:11:56 GMT -4
Yet, the Bush administration -- as well as aviation and law enforcement officials -- insisted the flight never took place and denied published reports about the flight. Finally in June 2004, the Tampa International Airport acknowledged the flights happened. (Wall Street Journal, September 27, 2001; Judicial Watch, March 5, 2001, September 28, 2001; CNews, September 30, 2003; St. Petersburg Times, June 9, 2004; Michael Moore, Dude, Where’s My Country?; Beaty, Jonathan and Gwynne, The Outlaw Bank: A Wild Ride Into the Secret Heart of BCCI, New York: Random House, 1993; Judicial Watch: Bush/Bin Laden Connection, October 6, 2001)
these are also biased?
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 17:16:46 GMT -4
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 17:42:57 GMT -4
Yes, they're all biased.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 17:49:33 GMT -4
what about FBI protecting their masters? what about the last site I gave you whereby FBI men themselves admit things?
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 18:02:22 GMT -4
Referring to the last site, since they don't identify their sources it's impossible to verify if someone in the FBI really said that or not, isn't it? And the rest of the site makes it obvious that they are strongly anti-Bush.
Would the FBI protect their bosses if they knew they were responsible for killing thousands of innocent americans? NO. Not a chance in hell.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Jul 10, 2006 18:06:01 GMT -4
So what if the flights did happen? The only Bin Laden connected to the 9/11 attacks was Osama... the rest are innocent. What purpose would detaining them serve? Letting them leave the country at a time when their safety was a concern seems justifiable to me.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 10, 2006 23:59:12 GMT -4
By the way, the film of the first plane was taken by a French documentary crew who were doing a peice on the NYFD, so any suggest on that it was anyone else is flat out wrong.
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