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Post by jaydeehess on Jul 13, 2006 18:52:29 GMT -4
Frankly I never watch Fox News. I have tried, on occasion to suffer through a bit of it but it is just plain bad and O'Reilly is an idiot. lionking, even if the 5 Israelis were Mossad , and your article states that the names of a couple of them turned up on an intelligence list, this does not say anything at all about the French crew. Nor does it state that these 5 were on a mission to docuement the event either. Nor is there any evidence at all that they even knew about it in advance. they have video of the buring buildings but not the aircraft. They are also quite a distance from the towers and using a home video camera. No, their job was most certainly not docuementation of the event or they would have been closer and had a better camera, and I have already pointed out the fallacy of the idea that the Frenchmen were doing that either.
Try this lionking, prove to me that Stephen Jones is not an agent of al-qada.
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Post by lenbrazil on Jul 13, 2006 22:57:24 GMT -4
so either the New York Times or the FBI are lying. I really don't know who to believe in this vast amount of info on the internet. In this case I trust the 9/11 Commission report over the New York Times. The 9/11 commission was bi-partisan, while the New York Times has made it clear that they are anti-Bush. The key to deciding what to believe on the Internet is to look for the poster's agenda and to look for confirmation from other sources. The Commission was bi-partisan but that doesn’t mean that both parties were equally represented the chairman was a Republican and more significantly the executive director was Peter Zelikow who served in the Reagan and both Bush administrations and wrote a book with Condeleeza Rice. Supposedly he wrote an “overview of America’s national security strategy following September 11” for the administration [ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow ]. I don’t think there were any major omissions or distortions but they underplayed the missed signs a bit perhaps so as not to embarrass Clinton and esp. Bush and their administrations. The NY Times is generally anti Bush in its editorials just as Fox is overtly pro-Bush. IMHO the Times doesn’t let its leanings effect its reporting (at least not as much as Fox). Though there were some instances where reporters faked human interest stories the only case I know of them reporting false ‘hard news’ was Judith Miller’s erroneous ‘Bush administration party line’ articles about evidence of WMDs in Iraq. IF the Times and Commission disagreed and the commission’s version favored Bush I would try to get independent verification but would give more credence to what the paper said. But I have seen no signs they did disagree. House of Bush, House of Saud is a book [ www.amazon.com/gp/product/074325337X/104-9856844-0303114?v=glance&n=283155 ] not a NY Times article Chris Unger the author AFAIK never wrote for the Times, it wa published by Scribners which AFAIK is not affiliated with the Times. The cite you sited lied. I don’t know what the date refers to perhaps that’s when they reviewed the book. Unger was wrong, the FBI questioned many of the Saudis including some of the Bin-Ladens, Richard Clake says he approved the flights. I’ve seen any evidence that the 9/11 comission wa wrong about this. [ www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm#Saudi_Departures_from_United_States ]
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Post by jaydeehess on Jul 13, 2006 23:18:18 GMT -4
Isaid no such thing. I was just giving an example. If the images were put on the paper money deliberately in order to show a scene of the burning WTC towers it was done for a reason. You state that politicians put "their signs on things". You state that freemasons put signs on things. Is this the reason for the images to be placed on the money? If so then some organization has adopted a scene of the burning WTC towers as one of their signs. Is that what you are trying to sell me? If not then please do correct me and explain what the images were placed there for. For instance is this for pure mystic purposes? Can you show any other instance of an organization depicting an event on money or stamps or the like, several years in advance of the event? Preferably not something like space launches which were public programs.
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Post by twinstead on Jul 14, 2006 6:09:50 GMT -4
Can you show any other instance of an organization depicting an event on money or stamps or the like, several years in advance of the event? Preferably not something like space launches which were public programsA picture in my mind just popped up of people feverishly folding pound notes trying to come up with something that looks like a subway car with a hole in it on fire.
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Post by ktesibios on Jul 14, 2006 11:28:02 GMT -4
911myths.com is a mighty handy resource. Here's a piece looking closely at the "Israeli art students/Mossad agents" meme so beloved of conspiracists and cited in the Sunday Herald article lionking linked to: www.911myths.com/Israeli_Art_Students.pdfIn the meantime, the question of secret messages in money deserves more looking into. I volunteer for the job. If you have any currency, negotiable securities etc. that you suspect of containing secret Illuminati/Freemason/whatever messages, just send them to me. In fact, why not play it safe- send these items to me whether or not you suspect them.
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Post by Al Johnston on Jul 14, 2006 11:43:59 GMT -4
And how long will they spend "resting" in your account? ;D
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Jul 23, 2006 4:34:34 GMT -4
Old style British Sterling £10 note could be folded to show the Queen giving head. Bless you Ma'am... That I'd like to see! How about you try it for yourself! homepage.ntlworld.com/trev.rh/Notes/boe/series_d/sset-10l.htmPrint off the top image showing the queen's head. See that piece of folded and knotted material on the Queen's right shoulder (left as you look at it)? I'll leave the rest to your imagination and your origami skills! More fun with a different edition of the £10 note here - The Queen and Charles Darwin combine to show the old John McEnroe.
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Post by gwiz on Jul 24, 2006 9:45:43 GMT -4
That's never the top of Darwin's head. Charles Dickens, perhaps.
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Post by HeadLikeARock (was postbaguk) on Jul 24, 2006 18:58:17 GMT -4
That's never the top of Darwin's head. Charles Dickens, perhaps. You are indeed correct. The current £10 note has a picture of Darwin on the reverse, the one in the picture is Dickens.
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