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Post by lionking on Jul 7, 2006 6:56:04 GMT -4
I know that good powers can be used as bad powers. As I heard, some people read the verses of Koran to relieve ppl from demons. others who read the verses from back forth: ex: God is Almighty becomes Almighty is God do this to bring demons and speak to them. It is to use or to abuse the power. That fine line can lead to happiness or disasters. But again, I don't know how much true are all these things.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 7, 2006 10:06:50 GMT -4
Really? There's a book called "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. Try google, there are probably millions of references.
Her technnique involves learning to see what you are looking at and putting it on paper, rather than getting stuck putting what you think you know on the page. It's based on medical work done in the 1960's, including studies of people who had the corpus callosum (sp?), the connection between hemispheres, cut to treat various brain misfunctions.
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Post by Jason on Jul 7, 2006 10:44:06 GMT -4
Does it work any differently for us left-handed people? I've heard that the brain functions of a left-handed person aren't as clearly divided between the hemispheres.
The last ID thread on this forum was "Creationism in a Clown Suit."
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 7, 2006 12:15:29 GMT -4
So, in other words you belive in the Hindu gods? Do you belive in everybody's gods? Or are any of them just made-up nonsense? Doesn't this violate the first commandment?
Forgive my confusion. I thought Christians were monotheistic.
Why would I dislike it? That would be a value judgement, and I don't think my answers/values apply to everyone. If your relationship with God (or the gods) pleases you and helps you live your life, than who am I to judge?
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Post by Jason on Jul 7, 2006 13:03:48 GMT -4
I believe Dead Hoosiers is referring to the idea that devils or demons may masquerade as the deities of other, non-Christian religions in order to deceive the practicioners of those religions. So it wouldn't be actual Hindu gods responding, but demons in disguise, and you wouldn't like it because they wouldn't have your best interests in mind.
Please correct me if I'm wrong DH.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Jul 7, 2006 21:29:33 GMT -4
I believe Dead Hoosiers is referring to the idea that devils or demons may masquerade as the deities of other, non-Christian religions in order to deceive the practicioners of those religions. So it wouldn't be actual Hindu gods responding, but demons in disguise, and you wouldn't like it because they wouldn't have your best interests in mind. Please correct me if I'm wrong DH. You're right, but AG understood me.
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Post by sts60 on Jul 8, 2006 19:23:19 GMT -4
I’ve read of plenty of Christians doing these things.echnaton, I know you were merely trying to reverse the point on DeadHoosiers, but remember that there are many Christians on this board, including people such as Jay, and that sort of attack is fairlty offensive to more than your original target. Heck, I was just thinking the same thing as echnaton, and I'm Christian too. Of course, as he said, it applies to any religion - people will dress up their prejudices and delusions with anything that "justifies" it in their mind.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 9, 2006 1:52:22 GMT -4
I believe Dead Hoosiers is referring to the idea that devils or demons may masquerade as the deities of other, non-Christian religions in order to deceive the practicioners of those religions. So it wouldn't be actual Hindu gods responding, but demons in disguise, and you wouldn't like it because they wouldn't have your best interests in mind. Please correct me if I'm wrong DH. You're right, but AG understood me. Um. Huh? I'm gonna guess what you mean here, based on my understanding of Dave Hunt, and something you said quite a while back about aliens. You believe that chanting the name of a Hindu god is calling a demon directly. The Hindu gods are not imaginary abstractions that demons have taken the names of, but are actual demons and always have been. Thus, all Hindus are demon worshipers, and always have been. Thus, TM chanting is devil worship. Am I close? I'm not judging this belief, I'm just making sure I'm understanding the nuances.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 9, 2006 2:00:31 GMT -4
Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm agnostic, which means "I dunno." I've studied many faiths. I find comfort in the reliability of gravity.
Also, I value that you and I, total strangers who might never cross paths, get to share our thoughts via internet. I'm not really threatened or offended by the beliefs of others. But I'm very curious. Please continue to share.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Jul 9, 2006 3:53:12 GMT -4
You're right, but AG understood me. You believe that chanting the name of a Hindu god is calling a demon directly. The Hindu gods are not imaginary abstractions that demons have taken the names of, but are actual demons and always have been. Thus, all Hindus are demon worshipers, and always have been. Thus, TM chanting is devil worship. Right on the money. Except I don't consider people who are unaware that they are praying to demons to be devil worshipers, even though, technically, that's what they're doing. I like to reserve the term "devil worshiper" for satanists who are well aware of what they're doing.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 9, 2006 11:13:41 GMT -4
Okay, thanks for clarifying.
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 13:35:09 GMT -4
I disagree with the idea that someone who doesn't use the correct (Christian) name for God is praying to a demon.
It is my opinion that a hindu praying to Shiva, or a muslim praying to Allah, or evan a wiccan praying to the "Earth Goddess" still has their prayers heard by God. If what they are asking for in their prayers are righteous desires (protect my home and myself, help me provide for my family, help me to be an honest and good person) then the fact that the person was using the wrong name isn't going to stop God from granting them.
If they aren't righteous desires (destroy those I hate, help me escape retribution for my crimes, help me to indulge in my vices) then knowing the right name to use won't really be of much help either.
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Post by lionking on Jul 10, 2006 14:18:37 GMT -4
I agree fully that God looks at the hearts of people. Sufis, if you heard about them, say that everybody is worshipping God, or righteousness, whether he knows it or not. Even those who worship the fire, they think they are doing good. This is too controversial of course, I wouldn't agree to that extent on it, but the idea is still there.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jul 10, 2006 17:08:54 GMT -4
I think how it works is this: there is a population of demons, etc. involved in a continuing battle for control of earth and man. It is not so much that demons are wearing pre-existing gods' names and aspects but that the gods are demons. This derives from the writings of Bob Larson and Dave Hunt. c.faculty.umkc.edu/cowande/ccp/larson.htm
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Post by Jason on Jul 10, 2006 17:37:23 GMT -4
I believe I understand the theory just fine - I simply disagree.
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