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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 7, 2007 18:00:59 GMT -4
Interestingly, the list of men who'd have to die to allow for a woman President is shorter than it's ever been. Speaker of the House is second in line, as I recall.
That and it has been picked that Hilary would run and likely win at the 2008 election by most comentators for about the last oh.... 8 years?
I'm not exactly sure how a female president is a punishment though. The UK did pretty well under Thatcher and we've has female PM for the past 7-odd years.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Jan 7, 2007 18:17:20 GMT -4
I'll make my own prediction. The government will continue to operate much as it has for the last 200 years, with white men taking turns running things for the benefit of somone other than me, personally. The war in Iraq will still be going when Democrats take the White House. Bush's "surge" of troops will be decried as "nickel-and-diming" and another hundred thousand troops will be sent in, but the political, social and economic toolboxes needed to fix the REAL root problems will remain unused.
During the next administration we'll be attacked again, and then the Dems will have to get ugly on the homeland, again with the ratchet effect of left-right-left marching us forward to the inevitable end of the American Republic, and the creation of an American Imperium, destroying the Republic to save the Nation. I give us another hundred years, tops. We'll see more of the first steps during the next administration.
I also predict that Bush, after leaving office, will blame everyone else for how badly his administration did. the NeoCon roaches will crawl back into the woodwork, waiting for the next chance to move the pieces on the game board in the direction they want.
The problem with predictions is that they are overly vague, or overly specific, or overly long-reaching and nobody remembers them when the time comes.
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Post by lazarusty on Jan 10, 2007 20:07:58 GMT -4
From xsorbit25.com/users5/forzionssake/index.php?topic=16336.0WARNING FOR CALIFORNIA
Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:31 PM The Pastor at Jubilee Christian Center in San Jose, CA, remarked this past Sunday that God indicated to him an earthquake was coming. He inquired about it and God revealed to him that the righteous would be saved -- they didn't need to worry or move away. That wasn't his exact wording but the implication given. I have an 11-24-05 prophecy from Maurice Sklar who quotes Jesus as saying that: "I will shake California in a warning, and then there shall finally come the earthquake that I have mercifully withheld for so many years. Millions shall perish in the ensuing floods and the west coast of America shall be removed and fall into the ocean. Boston shall experience a major attack upon a great school that once preached My gospel in ages past but has left the faith of their fathers – never to return again. It will never be rebuilt again. There shall be 5 terrorist attacks that will hit America in ever increasing destruction upon the major cities. Before the end of 2007, a nuclear "dirty bomb" will blow up in a major city in the south of America.
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Post by gillianren on Jan 10, 2007 20:14:52 GMT -4
If ever there were an earthquake that caused any continental crust (ie, California) to "fall into the ocean," it would have to be God's doing, as there is no way it could happen without divine intervention.
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Post by echnaton on Jan 10, 2007 21:03:54 GMT -4
If ever there were an earthquake that caused any continental crust (ie, California) to "fall into the ocean," it would have to be God's doing, as there is no way it could happen without divine intervention. Back in the early 80’s Dr. Timothy Leary gave a lecture/ comedy routine at the University of Missouri - Columbia in which he discussed this very issue. His great prediction for plate tectonic activity was that California would be just fine but that the rest of the U.S. would fall into the Atlantic. He got a good hoot of approval from the UMC students whose future he doomed with his prediction. The rest of the “lecture” was about equally substantive and humorous. It seems unlikely that even such a tremendous event would have convinced him of the existence of any form of God. But I bet the success rate of Leary’s predictions are equal to that of the good Pastor at the Jubilee Christian Center.
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Post by Jason on Jan 11, 2007 11:20:14 GMT -4
If ever there were an earthquake that caused any continental crust (ie, California) to "fall into the ocean," it would have to be God's doing, as there is no way it could happen without divine intervention. Well, either God's doing or Lex Luthor's.
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Post by sts60 on Jan 11, 2007 11:31:41 GMT -4
WARNING FOR CALIFORNIA
And when this one fails to happen by the end of 2007, what will your excuse be? The usual "it's coming but the time was a little off"?
Rusty, I ask you again: what would it take, even hypothetically, for you to acknowledge that these predictions you keep posting are just simply wrong? The absolute failure of many of them hasn't done it. Is there simply nothing at all that could - again, even hypothetically - convince you?
Why won't you answer such a simple question? I've told you what would convince me. Fair's fair - it's you turn.
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Post by lazarusty on Jan 11, 2007 15:46:35 GMT -4
What would convince me is some actual discernment from God showing me they're false rather than just mistaken on timing. The thing is, timing can change based on prayer and so forth. At the time that TRUE prophecies are uttered, they are true according to the current state of spiritual things (which can change).
For instance, Jonah declared "In 40 days, Ninevah will be overthrown." But Ninevah was not overthrown - the people repented so God had mercy. By your standards however, Jonah would be false because what he predicted didn't come to past.
Just to make it clear, while you might get the impression that I believe everything that's I'm posting, I'm actually relaying information (so-and-so is saying such-and-such) and taking a neutral stand and wait-and-see attitude. If God is more specific to me concerning certain predictions, I'll let you know.
I'm also being careful to quote my sources this time which can come from a variety of places. I've given predictions from other people in the past without being specific on the sources which was a mistake. I won't do that again unless some confidentiality is required.
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Post by Jason on Jan 11, 2007 16:09:40 GMT -4
Rusty's principle is essentially correct - prophets in the Old Testament could make predictions that did not occur because of a change in human behavior. Jonah crying against Ninevah is a good example. Another is in 2 Kings 20, where Isaiah tells King Hezekiah that he will die, but Hezekiah prays to the Lord and obtains another 15 years of life.
That said, if these prophets of Rusty's are consistently wrong there seems little reason to beleive that they are in fact inspired. The fact that there are occasional reversals of prophecy recorded in scripture should be viewed as exceptions in exceptional circumstances rather than the general rule.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 11, 2007 16:48:26 GMT -4
Rusty's principle is essentially correct - prophets in the Old Testament could make predictions that did not occur because of a change in human behavior. Jonah crying against Ninevah is a good example. Another is in 2 Kings 20, where Isaiah tells King Hezekiah that he will die, but Hezekiah prays to the Lord and obtains another 15 years of life.
However I would point out that both times there was a substaintial and marked change in behaviours. The changes that delayed the prediction were measurable and obvious. This isn't the case here. We keep seeing predictions and though nothing substainailly changes (in fact often it gets worse) the "prophecy" is delayed. Secondly, these guys have no track record. Both Jonah and Hezekiah were well established and recognised prophets previous to their delayed prophecy. Here we have a bunch of people claiming to be prophets who have yet to actually be right.
False Prophets. By their works they will be known.
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Post by Jason on Jan 11, 2007 16:51:57 GMT -4
I agree Phantomwolf - the prophecies were changed by obvious, measurable behavior for the better. If Jonah had cried against Ninevah and the people had not repented, or behaved even worse, the prophecy would have been fulfilled and they would have been destroyed. And I think you mean Isaiah was a prophet with a track record, not Hezekiah.
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Post by sts60 on Jan 11, 2007 17:37:01 GMT -4
What would convince me is some actual discernment from GodThanks for the answer... showing me they're false rather than just mistaken on timing.... but a prediction that says "2006 hurricane season worse than 2005" was just wrong, period. The 2006 hurricane season was a discrete (non-)event that can't be repeated. Predictions that say "nuclear war in 2006" are also wrong, but at least you can say "still might happen..." The thing is, timing can change based on prayer and so forth....But this makes them awfully wish-washy. First of all, there is no evidence that anybody's been praying, or changed their behavior for the better, to avert such events. Second, the longer they don't happen, the sillier the "pretty soon now" excuses sound. Third, the all-purpose escape clause simply removes any accountability for the so-called prophet; how will you decide he or she is false if you never hold them to their specifics? At the time that TRUE prophecies are uttered, they are true according to the current state of spiritual things (which can change).But "the current state of spiritual things" is subjective. There's no useful metric; just your belief and my belief and Jason's belief, etc., all of which are quite different. Sure, there are plenty of people who claim to know the real "state of spiritual things", but such inside-track claims are unverifiable at best and dangerous at worst. For instance, Jonah declared "In 40 days, Ninevah will be overthrown." But Ninevah was not overthrown - the people repented so God had mercy. By your standards however, Jonah would be false because what he predicted didn't come to past.Depends on whether or not there was understood to be a "repentance clause" in the prediction. But even then, that doesn't show he was really a prophet. Just to make it clear, while you might get the impression that I believe everything that's I'm posting, I'm actually relaying information (so-and-so is saying such-and-such) and taking a neutral stand and wait-and-see attitude. If God is more specific to me concerning certain predictions, I'll let you know.OK. I'm also being careful to quote my sources this time which can come from a variety of places. I've given predictions from other people in the past without being specific on the sources which was a mistake. I won't do that again unless some confidentiality is required.I have no problem with your attribution habits. While I've said "your" claims, I've tried to make it clear that I understand you are generally quoting others. In any case, you've answered my question fairly. I'll stop badgering you about it, and quit the sniping about new claims too. Though I may occasionally update the scorecard.
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Post by gillianren on Jan 11, 2007 18:04:40 GMT -4
Isn't it "Nineveh"?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 11, 2007 18:13:42 GMT -4
And I think you mean Isaiah was a prophet with a track record, not Hezekiah.
true, that'll teach me to post while sleeping.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 11, 2007 21:11:19 GMT -4
What would convince me is some actual discernment from God showing me they're false rather than just mistaken on timing.
This really reminds me of a story I heard a while back.
A few years back during the Mississippi floods there was a man that got washed from his car and ended up cling to a tree. Being a devout believer he prayed to God and felt that he was going to be saved. A short while later some men, seeing he was in trouble, came to his aid and tossed across a rope, telling him to grab it and they'd pull him to safety.
"No, no, he replied. "God will save me."
A bit later some men in a boat arrived, telling him to climb down and that they would take him to safety.
"No, no, he replied. "God will save me."
A few hours pass and a helicopter hovers over head lowering a harness to the man. Put it on and we'll fly youto safety he is told.
"No, no, he replied. "God will save me."
A few more hours pass and by now the tree is weak and it gives way taking the man with it as it swirls about in the flood water and he is drowned.
A short time later in heaven he stands before God.
God looks at the man with a puzzled expresion. "What are you doing here?" he asks, "you weren't destined to die yet."
"That's what I want to know," replies the man. "You told me you'd resuce me, why didn't you?"
"Well I sent you men with a rope, a boat ,and helicopter, what more did you want?"
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