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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Feb 26, 2007 3:26:30 GMT -4
It's very much in keeping with the prophecies concerning the kings of the east in the Bible. I personally believe we are in the last days. This isn't news Rusty.
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Post by gillianren on Feb 26, 2007 4:28:25 GMT -4
Yes, well, I don't believe we are. What makes you think we are?
If it's Biblical inerrancy, you haven't spent enough time studying the history of the Bible.
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Post by sts60 on Feb 26, 2007 10:40:38 GMT -4
Of course we're in the last days. We've been in them for several thousand years. Get with the program!
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Post by Data Cable on Feb 26, 2007 11:37:24 GMT -4
Today is the last day since the beginning of time.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 26, 2007 13:21:34 GMT -4
It's very much in keeping with the prophecies concerning the kings of the east in the Bible. I personally believe we are in the last days. This isn't news Rusty. I love how you follow the sentence "I personally believe we are in the last days" with a smilie face, as if you are happy to be alive in a time when the world is about to end. You are the scariest kind of religious nut. Ever heard of a "self fulfilling prophecy"? The religious types who not only believe the end of the world is coming, but actually seem to pray that it will happen in their lifetime, are the ones that are going to find a way to cause it. The really scary thing is that I think President Bush might be that type of person, and he has control over a lot of nukes. The world would be far better off without "end of the world" prophets and religious fanatics.
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Post by Jason on Feb 26, 2007 14:20:41 GMT -4
It would be very unchristian to try to play Judas (that is, carry out wrong but necessary actions) in order to force the fulfillment of prophecy.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 26, 2007 14:22:29 GMT -4
It wouldn't necessarily be intentional. What I mean is, in an effort to prepare for armageddon they might unintentionally provoke something.
For example, the Branch Davidians wanted to prepare for armageddon so they stockpiled weapons, which concerned the government and provoked a confrontation. The result of that confrontation has been more distrust of the government, which could eventually lead to more trouble (possibly even a civil war). So preparing for the end of the world, like the Davidians did, could actually cause it, while simply ignoring those stupid prophecies would not do any harm at all.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 26, 2007 16:12:39 GMT -4
It would be very unchristian to try to play Judas (that is, carry out wrong but necessary actions) in order to force the fulfillment of prophecy.
Yes, and it's very unchristian to shoot doctors and bomb abortion clinics, but there are those looney zealots out there that do exactly that and proclaim that they are doing it for God. Unfortunately there are a lot of people on this planet that have the screwed up idea that they can total ignore God's (pick whichever you like) instructions and do what they want all while claiming to be doing it for Him (Her or It.)
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Post by lionking on Feb 26, 2007 17:30:23 GMT -4
this is exactly what I read in a book about Ahmadenejad. In the beginning, there was a comparison between him and Bush. they both believe Iraq is the land that the armies will pass through to liberate Jerusalem. of course, jerusalem will be liberated for the sake of Muslims according to Nejad , and for the sake of jews according to Bush. they r both working for this.
that book shock me. I want to stop and speak about it. you think Ahmadenejad's clumsiness is for nothing? think again. the man, along with the men of the Iranian Revolution like Khomeini and Khaminai'i are following life of sbreity like religion demands. Khomeini is known according to them for his prophecies that came true. he told the Shah that he is going to loose and that his [khomeini's] ppl are in the streets and in their mother's wombs and will take over. that happened. he said that the gulf countries who supported Iraq in its war against Iran are going to regret it, first country to regret it is Kuwait. that happened. he said the Iraqi president is going to be judged by his ppl. that happened too. there is his basic prophecy that the Mahdi [sort of Muslim Christ] will come on the days of the children and grandchildren of the Iranian revolution followers[of his time], who will witness the removal of Israel. Everything Nejad is working for is for this. There are signs of this that they r following. one of them was expalined by the presence of hizbollah (which makes me sure they will not abandm hizb no matter what). anotehr one was the death of a good soul in Iraq with seventy of its followers. that happened by the death of Moh'd Baker AlHakeem with his followers. Ahmadenejad , owns an ancient, old model car. he eats a sandwich everyday made to him by his wife, and doesn't care for his appearance. he ordered that no room in the castle should be well furnished except the one that he recieves guests in. he sweeps the road with the ppl responsible from the government for cleaning the roads.
Khaminai or Khomeini (I think Khaminai) didn't have a refrigerator in his house. a leader in the Iranian guards gave him one. it stopped working, but khaminai didn't speak about it for a year.
you have this from one side, you go and see the sex allowances khomaini spoke about, you get confused.
back to nejad and bush. there r many differences mentioned: nejad was very smart at school and university. Bush was stupid. Nejad followed religion strictly. Bush was alcoholic. Nejad didn't allow any profit to go to his pocket [from instituions] but to the Iranian ppl. Bush allows petrol companies to give him profit. It is written that all nejad has in bank is 250 dollars or so [don't know if before or after he got to be a president.
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Post by Jason on Feb 26, 2007 18:54:07 GMT -4
President Bush is not nearly as stupid or crazy as his critics make him out to be. I find the idea that President Bush might provoke a nuclear war in order to fulfill Christian apocolyptic prophecy to be ludicrous in the extreme.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Feb 26, 2007 23:36:17 GMT -4
President Bush is not nearly as stupid or crazy as his critics make him out to be. I find the idea that President Bush might provoke a nuclear war in order to fulfill Christian apocolyptic prophecy to be ludicrous in the extreme. Like I said, it might not be intentional. He might have all the good intentions in the world and still cause a chain reaction with horrible results. Another thing that concerns me about religious fanatics who believe the end of the world is imminent is that they often aren't concerned about long-term issues like global warming because "we won't be around long enough to care anyway." They disregard the very real likelihood that armageddon isn't right around the corner, and should be more worried about realistic issues. It's amazing to me that these people still pay their mortgages if they're so sure they won't be around 10-20 years from now. But I shouldn't have mentioned Bush, I had second thoughts about it but decided to leave that sentence in my post anyway. I don't think he's crazy enough to start a nuclear war, but I do think he's a bit too religious for my liking.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 27, 2007 1:18:39 GMT -4
LunarOrbit said:
One of my clients is a recovering Jehovah's Witness. They go through life convinced that "any minute now" the Rapture is coming to take them away. He grew up with a family that took terrible care of their teeth, tools, cars, bank accounts. . . and they don't want to send their kids to college, or develop careers. They just get through life day-to-day like addicts. In fact, his parents are both addicts, one of alcohol and one on pills.
He's finally getting to the point of being a pretty forward-looking individual but still has issues related to the outlook on life that he was programmed with.
It's a hard thing to overcome our childhood programming, even when we rejected it at the time (as he did) and rejects all of it now.
One of the worst parts is that the JW's believe there is a limited number of people who will actually go to heaven, like 144,000 or something. So there's a neurotic conflict between thinking that they are one of the chosen, and thinking that they have "sinned" and are not going, and so will just cease to exist when the time comes.
It seems in the case of his family that they were using this belief as a buffer to avoid the pain of being "have-nots."
Then I think about radical Islam, and it's addictive fixation on resentment and anger, and the rejection of the material comforts that they don't have anyway.
And Bush makes me nervous, too. That's one of the reasons I enlisted - when the inevitable results of his bad foreign policy comes home to roost, I'd rather have orders, uniforms and a clue than be part of the river of screaming meat trying to flee a man-made disaster.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Feb 27, 2007 1:28:39 GMT -4
Ho hum...same old prejudice against Christianity--or at least, against what you think Christianity is and what you think Christians believe--which is, as usual, WRONG.
You frequently tell me I haven't spent enough time studying this thing or that thing about the Bible. I believe we're in the last days because the Bible tells me so. All prophecies that must be fulfilled before the rapture have been fulfilled. What would you like to say about the history of the Bible?
Actually, that's true, we've been in the last days since the resurrection.
I followed "that's not news, Rusty" with the smiley face. I've never met a Christian who prays for the end of the world...most of us hope the rapture of the church will take place in our lifetimes, but we pray that others will likewise escape judgment. I've never ever met any Christian who believes what you just said. If George Bush is a Christian I'll eat my keyboard. He believes something quite different from us and he's working diligently to destroy the world as we know it. Saying so (that he's Christian) doesn't make it so.
First let me say that the Branch Davidians weren't Christian even though they too believed there would be an end of the world. They were within their rights to own guns and cooperated fully with local law enforcement concerning them. They were unnecessarily attacked and slaughtered by our government during a news blackout. They were shot, gassed and burned by order of President Clinton and Janet "we did it for the children" Reno, and Hilary demanded that the FBI "burn the motherf******!" Afterwards President Clinton issued a warning to others who believe in a literal second coming of Christ. So who's scarier?
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Post by PeterB on Feb 27, 2007 1:44:19 GMT -4
Dead Hoosiers said:
G'day Dead Hoosiers
Can you clarify for me, according to you, WHO are Christians?
Catholics?
Orthodox?
Lutherans?
Anglicans?
Methodists?
Presbyterians?
Baptists?
Mormons?
Seventh Day Adventists?
Jehovah's Witnesses?
Cheers
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 27, 2007 2:30:53 GMT -4
DH said:
I read books that tell me we're at the middle of ten billion years of glorious sunshine. I find them to be much more consistant, and infinitely more comforting.
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