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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Feb 23, 2007 11:24:06 GMT -4
. . . cussing in Roman . . . . Latin, surely. Uh, yeah. What she said. I'd like to say in my defense, I've got a horrid cold, and I was asleep within minutes of that post. Or maybe a few minutes before.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Feb 26, 2007 3:21:54 GMT -4
AG, do me a favor. See if you can find out what the punishment was for Roman guards who fell asleep on duty.
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Post by Data Cable on Feb 26, 2007 8:09:16 GMT -4
It is Latin... and stop calling him Shirly.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Mar 3, 2007 4:33:59 GMT -4
AG, do me a favor. See if you can find out what the punishment was for Roman guards who fell asleep on duty. Why? The guards weren't there by the time Mary (or the Marys) arrived. I think they went out for a warm drink. Or a cold one in a warm place. None of the Gospels mention guards being at the tomb by that time. Here is an apologetics site I'll bookmark and read through later, but I think you already know that the Roman military was highly disciplined and very strict, and are trying to lead me into something. Look, you have to admit - the four gospels are word-for-word on some areas, but in this story they all diverge radically. In Matthew, there's one young man in the cave. Who? In others, it's two, and in some cases, they are alleged to be angels. Prove angels, and we'll go there, but it seems to be men, flesh and blood, who are in the cave tomb.
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Post by Jason on Mar 3, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -4
Well, I guess the Discovery Channel puts your whole "Jesus was eaten" theory in the toilet, since they have apparently found his un-eaten bones in a ossuary next to his wife Mary Magdeline and their son Joshua.
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Post by gillianren on Mar 3, 2007 16:32:15 GMT -4
I'm not convinced. I'm certainly not sure how they'd go about proving it was the Jesus--whose name in Hebrew would have also been Joshua. "Jesus" is Greek.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Mar 4, 2007 1:38:55 GMT -4
Well, I guess the Discovery Channel puts your whole "Jesus was eaten" theory in the toilet, since they have apparently found his un-eaten bones in a ossuary next to his wife Mary Magdeline and their son Joshua. Do you believe what television tells you? Or do you research the subject and learn more? I refuse to believe television with glitzy graphics. I know too much about how to use film editing to tell the viewer what to think, and not give them time to ask questions. Instead, I go look stuff up. The ossuaries were found in 1980. Maybe the inscriptions aren't forged. But absolutly certain - Yesua bar Yosuf was a pretty common name. Like "Tom Jones" in our own era, the name combination may apply to one guy, or to another. Or Jim Jones, for that matter, although I bet the Jones families have stopped naming their boys James. So if they found the bones, then what about the resurrection? No win situation for "believers," here, except to reject the uniqueness of the name combination on that particular ossuary.
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Post by Data Cable on Mar 4, 2007 21:26:47 GMT -4
Well, I guess the Discovery Channel puts your whole "Jesus was eaten" theory in the toilet, since they have apparently found his un-eaten bones in a ossuary next to his wife Mary Magdeline and their son Joshua. Which, if true, kinda leaves the whole "Jesus ascended into heaven" theory floating alongside it, no?
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Post by Jason on Mar 5, 2007 11:41:06 GMT -4
My point being: if you're silly enough to believe Jesus may have been eaten by his followers then you're silly enough to believe in the Discovery Channel documentary too. Both theories have about equal merit.
Edit:...which is to say, right around 0.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Mar 5, 2007 18:45:00 GMT -4
I think believing that a guy got up and walked out of his own grave to be pretty silly. Where the body went is a matter of conjecture, but it had to go somewhere.
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Post by Jason on Mar 5, 2007 19:19:50 GMT -4
If he had been "just a guy" like any of the rest of us I agree that it would be pretty silly to think that.
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Mar 5, 2007 23:48:15 GMT -4
Look, you have to admit - the four gospels are word-for-word on some areas, but in this story they all diverge radically. In Matthew, there's one young man in the cave. Who? In others, it's two, and in some cases, they are alleged to be angels. Prove angels, and we'll go there, but it seems to be men, flesh and blood, who are in the cave tomb. I don't know that I can prove it, but I'll try to clarify it, even though I don't understand why you're zeroing in on the angels, unless you think it presents a contradition of such magnitude that it discredits the Bible. You'll find this link to a short single page explanation helpful. www.carm.org/diff/Mark16_5.htm
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Mar 8, 2007 14:43:30 GMT -4
If he had been "just a guy" like any of the rest of us I agree that it would be pretty silly to think that. Yep. The only "proof" otherwise is the Bible. Circular. I reject the "inital premis" and insist that he was a man, nothing more.
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Post by Jason on Mar 8, 2007 14:52:52 GMT -4
Actually I have three other books of scripture external to the Bible that also maintain that Jesus was more than just a man, plus personal revelation to the effect that the Bible and these other scriptures are correct on at least this particular point, plus the testamonies of many other people who have had similar personal experiences confirming Christ's divinity to them.
So my own belief is not based solely on the Bible.
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Post by Bill Thompson on Mar 8, 2007 17:14:14 GMT -4
Jesus was most likely speaking figuratively and eating a dead person would be culturally unacceptable for the Jews at that time. But I am sure you are like me in thinking that I would not have taken any chances and gone ahead and sliced up the body and devoured it with my early Christian brethren.
On the other hand, I do not think it happened. It is difficult to choke down that much meat even if it is divided among 12-14 people.
Still, the symbolism is beautiful and it is a good way of thinking of the holy body being passed down through time among the believers.
So it is wonderful to think of it happening, it is just not physically likely.
It is still a job for The MythBusters. I have not gotten around to emailing them.
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