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Post by Bill Thompson on Apr 20, 2007 12:15:30 GMT -4
Bill Thompson, do not send me PMs until your maturity level has improved by a factor of at least ten. KOS, I was only saying that this topic was not my original idea and others have added to it. Targeting me shows a lack of maturity on your part. And making a comment I made to you in private public also shows a lack of maturity and tact.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Apr 20, 2007 13:01:58 GMT -4
And making a comment I made to you in private public also shows a lack of maturity and tact. I don't recall KOS making what you said in the PM public, he only said that you had sent him one. That in itself is not really private information. And honestly, you aren't in a good position to criticize anyone else's maturity level when you make childish jokes about Uranus.
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Post by Jason on Apr 20, 2007 14:34:27 GMT -4
You're immature. No YOU'RE immature. No you are! No you are! No, YOU are!
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Post by Bill Thompson on Apr 20, 2007 16:00:54 GMT -4
I have a theory that on some other, distant, logically light-years away web forum, KOS feels I must have insulted his culture or homeland or a family tradition he holds dear. I have no idea why he singles me out in a discussion thread where others have voiced simular opinions and in a subject that I someone else first mentioned on this website.
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Post by lionking on Apr 20, 2007 17:40:46 GMT -4
Bill is right. I was asked in a course I took in university called "Religion in Society" to witness and document rituals and ask the religious man about things I don't understand. The priest told me that when the bread and wine are blessed they become literally the blood and body of Jesus. He told me if you take them to a lab, they are wine and bread, but our belief is that we are eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood.
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Post by donnieb on Apr 20, 2007 18:54:15 GMT -4
You're immature. No YOU'RE immature. No you are! No you are! No, YOU are! I know you are, but what am I? By the way, how is (im)maturity measured? Is there a Beaufort scale or something? If not, how will we be able to tell when BT has increased his maturity by an order of magnitude? (Is the scale logarithmic? Is it graded on a curve? How can we tell when someone's maturity goes from gale force to hurricane strength? Does NOAA fly planes into BT's maturity to take readings?) I'm really curious now...
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Post by LunarOrbit on Apr 20, 2007 20:48:11 GMT -4
Bill is right. I was asked in a course I took in university called "Religion in Society" to witness and document rituals and ask the religious man about things I don't understand. The priest told me that when the bread and wine are blessed they become literally the blood and body of Jesus. He told me if you take them to a lab, they are wine and bread, but our belief is that we are eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood. I never knew this about Christian religion. I always thought it was just a symbolic representation of Jesus' blood and body, I didn't know they actually believed it literally turned into it. And they wonder why I lost my faith when they make it so hard to believe? If they said it was a symbolism thing I would find it far easier to accept.
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Post by Jason on Apr 20, 2007 21:29:29 GMT -4
That's primarily a Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox belief. Most of Protestant Christianity does not believe in transubstantiation.
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Post by donnieb on Apr 20, 2007 22:23:55 GMT -4
That's primarily a Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox belief. Most of Protestant Christianity does not believe in transubstantiation. That's right. In fact, it was one of Martin Luther's main points of disagreement with Rome. IIRC, he thought they only became blood and flesh when consumed, not when consecrated. Roman Catholics comprise the single largest division of Christianity, and a significant fraction of the total. It's debatable, of course, how many rank-and-file Catholics take a literal view of transubstantiation. It sure seems to require a healthy dose of doublethink to hold that the wine and wafer are actual blood and flesh, yet still acknowledge that a lab test would show only fermented grape juice and baked wheat dough.
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Post by echnaton on Apr 20, 2007 22:52:09 GMT -4
While the Anglican Commune of churches has no official doctrinal equivalent to the RC Church, as Episcopalians we are taught transubstantiation. As it was explained to me, the sacraments do turn into the body and blood of Christ, but not in a material way. Transubstantiation is not symbolic, but takes place in a spiritual realm. The church holds that this takes place whether or not you believe in God. Priests requests that those not baptized refrain from communion rather than allowing them to take something that they may not be spiritually prepared for. Yes it is mystical, but it is a church after all.
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Post by lionking on Apr 21, 2007 5:38:24 GMT -4
lots of things not written in the bible take place. just yesterday I read that the pope decided that the limbo state and babies in it can experience heaven. the church used to consider that babies unbapticized if dead will go to a place of happiness and harmony, but can't experience God and real heaven. now, the pope decided to give them a chance he said he is not sure thaugh As for other christian sects, I don't know what their belief is in the bread and wine. I chose the Roman Catholics for my project.
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Post by gillianren on Apr 21, 2007 8:06:15 GMT -4
lots of things not written in the bible take place. just yesterday I read that the pope decided that the limbo state and babies in it can experience heaven. the church used to consider that babies unbapticized if dead will go to a place of happiness and harmony, but can't experience God and real heaven. now, the pope decided to give them a chance he said he is not sure thaugh You may have just found out about this, but it happened literally decades ago. Vatican II, I believe, back when they purged a bunch of saints. (Like St. Christopher, who probably never existed.)
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Post by lionking on Apr 21, 2007 12:03:24 GMT -4
I read that the current pope said so, just yesterday on yahoo news.
back to the blood/body vs bread/wine, this is because Jesus said take this [bread] and eat it , this is my body. take this wine and drink it , this is my blood. he was probably speaking allegorically, but ppl got things literally.
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Post by Bill Thompson on Apr 24, 2007 3:59:51 GMT -4
Bill is right. I was asked in a course I took in university called "Religion in Society" to witness and document rituals and ask the religious man about things I don't understand. The priest told me that when the bread and wine are blessed they become literally the blood and body of Jesus. He told me if you take them to a lab, they are wine and bread, but our belief is that we are eating the body of Jesus and drinking his blood. Thanks. Yes, my younger and older brother are pretty serious biblical scholars and historians and they too have told me numerous Christian sects think that literally the bread is the body of Christ after it is blessed in a church service.
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Post by Bill Thompson on Apr 30, 2007 16:14:17 GMT -4
And making a comment I made to you in private public also shows a lack of maturity and tact. I don't recall KOS making what you said in the PM public, he only said that you had sent him one. That in itself is not really private information. And honestly, you aren't in a good position to criticize anyone else's maturity level when you make childish jokes about Uranus. They are childish. But amusing. Sorry to offend any planets. One should not poke fun at Uranus.
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