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Post by sts60 on Nov 20, 2007 15:54:37 GMT -4
That's a mighty pretty spacecraft ya got there, Sts60! It'd be a shame if somethin' happened to it...know whut I mean? Happen to it? Ha! That ain't no downstream sissy-boy spacecraft. At 250 lbs, I was not the heaviest guy to walk on it. Freaked the KSC payload types out. Those of you who have ever encountered a '63 Rambler will get the idea.
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Post by JayUtah on Nov 20, 2007 16:30:53 GMT -4
Maybe if we have the contact mail of Dr Musgrave we can contat im to see if the above quote is right or not. ..but if it is right, then he is really weirdIt appears to be from a web site that advertises itself as officially connected to Dr. Musgrave, although authored personally by Anne Lenehan. I would consider that reasonably authoritative since she advertises having conducted interviews with Musgrave. The contributors list includes people who appear to be relatives and associates of him. The exact quote in question appears to come from a Houston Chronicle article that has been reproduced on the site. It actually goes a long way toward clarifying Musgrave's actual intent. He states flatly that he has no evidence of alien existence. He characterizes his "contact" attempts as being similar to prayer, and having a personal cathartic effect rather than an actual attempt at contact. He states clearly he does not expect it to be successful. Elsewhere on the site, the page www.spacestory.com/philof.htm appears to be the source of the notion that he wishes to be taken away by extratrerrestrials. It is phrased in this context as a conditional -- if he had the opportunity, he would go. He does not represent the chances of that actually occurring. If these and similar interviews are the basis for Clark McClelland's summary, I would say that McClelland has clearly misrepresented Story Musgrave. McClelland's principal claim was that Musgrave had secret evidence of alien existence. Musgrave has explicitly and unequivocally repudiated that.
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Post by lionking on Nov 23, 2007 8:50:17 GMT -4
trying these prayers in the first place does not indicate a safe mind for me. Even if he doesn't expect it to be answered, this is stupidity. don't you think so?
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 23, 2007 10:17:11 GMT -4
trying these prayers in the first place does not indicate a safe mind for me. Even if he doesn't expect it to be answered, this is stupidity. don't you think so? What of it? It's not like he was praying as part of a NASA experiment. It was something he was doing in his own mind, on his own time, for the hell of it. And even if it was stupid, have you never done something that was stupid and harmless at the same time? Be honest now.
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Post by dwight on Nov 23, 2007 10:22:25 GMT -4
trying these prayers in the first place does not indicate a safe mind for me. Even if he doesn't expect it to be answered, this is stupidity. don't you think so? I think the fact that Story recognises it as nothing more than cathartic for him makes it no more indicative of an unsafe mind than, say, billions of people spending time in their respective church, mosque, synagogue or temple praying. Very few would argue that those people have an unsafe state of mind.
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Post by lionking on Nov 23, 2007 10:41:40 GMT -4
no it is not the same thing bcz it is unusual... any ways, people can get weird , even if they work in important projects
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Post by LunarOrbit on Nov 23, 2007 11:54:00 GMT -4
So praying to aliens is weird or unusual because few people do it, but praying to God is normal because lots of people do it. Got it. Sanity is determined by the number of people who agree with you, is that it?
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Post by lionking on Nov 23, 2007 12:07:10 GMT -4
praying to God is sane bcz it is normal to people. praying to aliens is something too weird, can't you see the difference without philosophizing things..?
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Post by AtomicDog on Nov 23, 2007 12:34:44 GMT -4
praying to God is sane bcz it is normal to people. praying to aliens is something too weird, can't you see the difference without philosophizing things..? So people who don't pray are not sane?
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Post by Jason Thompson on Nov 23, 2007 12:43:42 GMT -4
praying to God is sane bcz it is normal to people. praying to aliens is something too weird, can't you see the difference without philosophizing things..? From my personal philosophy, no I can't. Both involve praying to an entity or entities for which there is no objective evidence of the existence of. Who decides what is normal and weird? But the point is not how many people do it, but their attitudes to the fact that they do it. Many people who pray to a god genuinely expect an answer, or some form of understanding of the god in question, or hope for a better place in the afterlife. Dr Musgrave does it mainly for his own benefit, and recognises that probably nothing will come of it. That sounds a heck of a lot more sane to me.
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Post by lionking on Nov 23, 2007 12:49:36 GMT -4
it is more weird. People usually pray to get something of God. Althaugh many people pray to statues and animals and I don't know what.. they are mostly uneducated. it is weird that an educated man would pray to aliens. being educated doesn't mean , however, that praying to God isweird bcz HE was introduced as the source of tuthfullness and the source of the world throughout ages.. I think ABers spoke of Aulis being unreasonable bcz of such things? well, this is unreasonable and indicates unreasonable thinking.. not insanity exactly, but it is not a reasoable person here.
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Post by Jason Thompson on Nov 23, 2007 12:59:27 GMT -4
Althaugh many people pray to statues and animals and I don't know what.. they are mostly uneducated. That is a highly offensive remark. On what do you base that statement? I know quite a few people who 'pray' to entities other than this God you speak of (I married one last year!), and I can assure you they are anything but uneducated. On the contrary, I think it's very reasonable. Given the vastness of the Universe it seems unlikely there isn't life elsewhere in it, and in any case the point, which you so spectacularly continue to miss, is that Dr Musgrave does it for his own personal catharsis, not because he really thinks he's going to get to meet aliens. The man recognises that what he is doing is probably absurd. How is that unreasonable?
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Post by Jason Thompson on Nov 23, 2007 13:03:14 GMT -4
being educated doesn't mean , however, that praying to God isweird bcz HE was introduced as the source of tuthfullness and the source of the world throughout ages.. If you happen to believe that, which I don't. To me praying to God is as weird as praying to aliens, because I personally do not believe he exists, and I am not alone. Kindly don't presume to judge other people's beliefs and their level of 'weirdness' based on your own. I really and truthfully see no distinction between praying to gods and praying to aliens for the reasons I already stated: there is no objective evidence for the existence of either: each is simply a personal belief. I don't share a belief in any god with the huge numbers of religious people in the world. Does that make me weird?
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Post by JayUtah on Nov 23, 2007 13:49:25 GMT -4
trying these prayers in the first place does not indicate a safe mind for me. Even if he doesn't expect it to be answered, this is stupidity. don't you think so?
No, I don't think so. Whatever form of meditation someone says makes him happy is, in my opinion, largely beyond someone else's ability to evaluate. It's naive in my opinion to file it away under ignorance, lack of education, or mental illness.
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Post by Ginnie on Nov 23, 2007 18:23:51 GMT -4
no it is not the same thing bcz it is unusual... any ways, people can get weird , even if they work in important projects Maybe God is an alien?
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