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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 21:00:47 GMT -4
Just show me some real evidence.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 21:08:01 GMT -4
So you offer no reason why I should believe you over scientists studying the climate?
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 21:11:43 GMT -4
I already went over this. I'm not trying to convince you that these guys are wrong - you're trying to convince me that these guys are right.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 3, 2008 21:14:53 GMT -4
You started the thread. You are trying to convince us that belief in global warming is like a religion. So get on with it.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 21:54:59 GMT -4
If you don't like my brand of logic here you shouldn't use it yourself.
And I've actually provided quite a bit of evidence showing that people are willing to blame any sort of ridiculous thing on global warming.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 21:55:52 GMT -4
Why just this afternoon I heard a sound clip of Ted Turner saying that in 30 years the Earth will be 8 degrees warmer, all the crops will have died, and any surviving humans will be cannibals.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 3, 2008 22:07:30 GMT -4
You started the thread. You are trying to convince us that belief in global warming is like a religion. So get on with it. Well I could point out that since you seem reluctant to show the evidence and instead just believe what the ones at the top are saying, then is a bit like a religion. After all you seem to be taking what all these groups say purely on faith.
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Post by Jason on Apr 3, 2008 22:19:10 GMT -4
Ah, someone does see my point. That makes it all worthwhile.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 4, 2008 10:33:56 GMT -4
Or, PhantomWolf, you are claiming to know things that you don't know. First, you have no idea whatsoever what I have read and what I have not read on the subject of global warming. It's wonderful of you to make assumptions about me and I do so enjoy it when you do, but unless you are a mind-reader I guess I'd suggest that you stick to what you do know. Whatever that may be.
Second, the claim that scientists trained in specific areas are somehow similar to non-scientists trained or not trained in areas of religion is beyond the ridiculous. Science is about data and religion is not. That seems to me to be what this discussion is about.
If Jason wants to claim that the great majority of climate scientists are in on some grand conspiracy or that they are all just lemmings following each other over a cliff, then I think he should offer something more than just general guesses about why he believes it. He is making an extraordinary claim, but so far he has offered nothing whatsoever to back it up.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 4, 2008 11:21:21 GMT -4
I have never seen the (former) planet Pluto with my own eyes, much less have I visited it. All I have ever seen are photographs of Pluto -- and most of the pictures I have seen look little different to me than does an average star. So -- is my belief in the existence of Pluto a "new religion?"
By your logic, it is.
If you said you didn't believe in Pluto, I'd ask the same thing of you: Why?
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Post by Jason on Apr 7, 2008 13:38:25 GMT -4
If you started claiming that: Belief in Pluto was a spiritual and moral cause that everyone should engage in That we created Pluto in the first place, through our greed and hubris That Pluto will destroy us all at an unspecified time in future if we don't spend billions on anti-Pluto measures and dismantle our current way of life That those who don't believe in Pluto are all paid shills of the competing "Neptune lobby" or have a political axe to grind against those who advocate belief in Pluto That though the future ultimate apocolypse isn't here yet, Pluto is already causing extinctions of cute animal species and causing or exacerbating large natural disasters And if you started making big money selling books and films about the Pluto peril and indulgences that allow individuals and corporations to avoid the anti-Pluto measures; If you did all that, I would indeed call your belief in Pluto a religion, and might ask for a little more evidence of your claims before I decide to drink the kool-aid with you.
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 7, 2008 14:41:35 GMT -4
So you object to possible outcomes of global warming that people seem to be afraid of. Why? What do you know that you aren't sharing? Why don't you believe what the majority of scientists working in that area are telling us? What is your case?
That you put a negative spin on possible outcomes and to attempt to cast doubt on the motivations of those who believe global warming to be real does not in any way show that you have a case or even the beginnings of an argument. If you have factual reasons to doubt what climate scientists are saying, please share. So far you have offered nothing.
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Post by Jason on Apr 7, 2008 15:08:04 GMT -4
So you object to possible outcomes of global warming that people seem to be afraid of. Why? What do you know that you aren't sharing? Why don't you believe what the majority of scientists working in that area are telling us? What is your case? Why should I believe what they are telling us? Where is the evidence that human activity is indeed causing Global Warming? Or that we can affect it at all? Why are you asking me to believe these people on their word alone? I'm the one puting a negative spin on things? Didn't you hear Ted Turner saying all our crops will die and we're all going to be cannibals in 30 years? Or Al Gore claiming that sea levels will rise 20 feet and cause hundreds of millions of refugees to flee the coasts? Or how about that silly film The Day After Tomorrow? Are you sure I'm the one putting a negative spin on the issue?
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Post by wdmundt on Apr 7, 2008 15:43:10 GMT -4
The world's scientists believe X to be true. You don't believe X to be true. Yet you don't offer any evidence as to why you do not believe X to be true. So you are not offering any factual reason for anyone to believe your non-position.
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Post by Jason on Apr 7, 2008 15:55:04 GMT -4
My question is, "where is the evidence for x?" Your response is, "all these scientists believe x, so why don't you believe x?" To which I respond, "so if enough people believe something then I should too? A lot of people believe y. Why don't you believe y then?" To which you reply, "y is totally different - there's no evidence for y." So I ask again, "then where is the evidence for x?"
And we start the whole cycle again.
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