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Post by archer17 on Dec 18, 2009 14:53:54 GMT -4
Well, when you get down to it, the whole thing was a "status symbol." It also was a failure if addressing the dire predictions of AGW is a true measuring stick.
As I type this the world's players are scrambling to come up with a final communique that will put the best possible spin on what has been a very contentious 2 weeks in Copenhagen. I think talking about cleaning up the air is better than not talking but venues like Copenhagen, where there's unrealistic pressure to hammer out an accord in a couple of weeks, is not the way to go. More frequent discussions, without the pomp, is what needs to be done. One thing I got out of this summit is that the divide between the developed and developing countries is even larger than I thought.
*Edited because it seams eye kant spel thingz write sumtymes...
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Post by Jason on Dec 21, 2009 18:01:51 GMT -4
Well, Copenhagen was able to produce a statement that countries would "enhance our long-term cooperative action to combat climate change," and...nothing else.
Hope all those jets and limos were worth the carbon output for this nifty statement, guys.
I, of course, didn't expect anything else and am quite happy they didn't decide to do anything actually binding.
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Post by Joe Durnavich on Dec 22, 2009 0:59:26 GMT -4
However, President Obama did declare that statement historic and an unprecedented breakthrough. He has a keen eye for such things. And an entity no less than the United Nations "made note" of that statement.
Is it just me or do the seas seem a little lower today?
Delegates had two primary objectives in Copenhagen (besides the caviar and the prostitutes): (1) to denounce capitalism, and (2) to ask the capitalist countries for handouts. (1) was a resounding success. I am still not sure what we got stuck for on (2), if anything, and what we are going to be paying knuckleheads like Hugo Chavez and Robert Mugabe so that they can get right to work on stabilizing the climate in their countries.
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Post by Jason on Dec 22, 2009 12:39:21 GMT -4
As George Will observed yesterday,
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Post by echnaton on Dec 22, 2009 14:54:11 GMT -4
As George Will observed yesterday, I love George Will. He can politely slam someone or damn them faint praise better than most writers today.
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Post by rick on Apr 6, 2010 19:49:02 GMT -4
They are always wrong because they are only going to be right once.
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Post by Jason on Apr 6, 2010 22:23:35 GMT -4
They are always wrong because they are only going to be right once. Always wrong means never right - not even once.
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Post by rick on Apr 7, 2010 16:25:08 GMT -4
That does not make any sense because, once they are right, no one will be alive to provide kudos.
The benefit they provide is providing the fear to keep them from being right. Their task is NOT to be right. Their DESIRE is to be wrong.
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Post by Jason on Apr 7, 2010 17:54:04 GMT -4
If I go around urging that unless we act right now we're all going to be eaten by polar bears I guess I really am hoping that I'll be wrong, but the fact is I am wrong, and polar bears aren't going to eat us all even if I don't go around warning people. Therefore it would be wrong for me to influence the government into spending billions of dollars to create an anti-polar bear army to save us all because it's wasted effort that could have been better spent somewhere else.
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Post by rick on Apr 7, 2010 18:36:35 GMT -4
If I go around urging that unless we act right now we're all going to be eaten by polar bears I guess I really am hoping that I'll be wrong, but the fact is I am wrong, and polar bears aren't going to eat us all even if I don't go around warning people. Therefore it would be wrong for me to influence the government into spending billions of dollars to create an anti-polar bear army to save us all because it's wasted effort that could have been better spent somewhere else. On the other hand, if left to our own Nature, we will chop down all the trees, pave all the forests and polute all the oceans --then wonder why there is no clean water or fresh food. Doomsday forcasters surve the same purpose to humanity that dog trainers surve to dogs. Jason, I suspect you get your annalogy from your imagination rather from actual events or people.
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Post by Ginnie on Apr 7, 2010 21:17:40 GMT -4
If I go around urging that unless we act right now we're all going to be eaten by polar bears I guess I really am hoping that I'll be wrong, but the fact is I am wrong, and polar bears aren't going to eat us all even if I don't go around warning people. Therefore it would be wrong for me to influence the government into spending billions of dollars to create an anti-polar bear army to save us all because it's wasted effort that could have been better spent somewhere else. Your analogies still suck, Jason...
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Post by LunarOrbit on Apr 7, 2010 23:16:39 GMT -4
They are always wrong because they are only going to be right once. Always wrong means never right - not even once. Except you have not shown that they are always wrong, just that you always disagree with them (and no, that's not the same as showing that they are always wrong).
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Post by echnaton on Apr 8, 2010 9:42:22 GMT -4
On the other hand, if left to our own Nature, we will chop down all the trees, pave all the forests and polute all the oceans --then wonder why there is no clean water or fresh food. Oh, really? When Malthusianism has raises its ugly head, the dire consequences never seem to come. After all there are more forests now in much of the country that there were 100 years ago when wood was a primary source of fuel. Never underestimate the power of the substitution of goods when making economic predictions.
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Post by rick on Apr 8, 2010 14:17:19 GMT -4
The biblical Noah was a doomsday forecaster and he was right once, but when he was right, his detractors perished.
So, if you believe that story, doomsday forcasters can be right.
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Post by Jason on Apr 8, 2010 22:16:52 GMT -4
Jason, I suspect you get your annalogy from your imagination rather from actual events or people. Do you mean you don't believe there really is an anti-polar bear army?
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