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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 15, 2008 16:09:30 GMT -4
In which he makes a lot of allegations and claims but at the same time totally ignores the case history. DNA workups on the virus show that it has been around since the 1900's and medical testing of stored blood has proven cases in the late 1950's, years before Horowitz claims the virus was introduced. Not that one should be surpirised about this because his medical training is in dentistry, not in either immunology or virology.
To be blatent about it, Len Horowitz is an A-Grade loon who believes and peedles a lot of wacko ideas including quarkery cures for Skin Cancer and SARS. He ranks worse than BS because unlike BS who just separates suckers from their money, people falling for Horowitz's delutions actually end up suffering real harm.
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Post by dumbtechie on Nov 15, 2008 19:44:22 GMT -4
Just to expand a little on PhantomWolf's point: The earliest fully-documented case of HIV infection dates to 1959. The blood sample in which the virus was found was collected at that time in what is now Kinshasa as part of a research project looking at genetic factors that influence susceptibility to malaria. The viral genome from that sample has been fully sequenced and its subtype identified. Here's a link to more information. More recent work has found HIV sequences in tissue samples taken in the same area as early as 1960. In this case the virus belongs to a different subtype than the 1959 specimen, indicating that HIV had by then been reproducing in humans long enough for the subtype A and subtype D lineages to diverge. This has had consequences for our understanding of when the SIV and HIV lineages probably diverged, with HIV becoming adapted to humans as a habitat; the likely range of dates for this event has been pushed back by more than twenty years. Scienceblogger Abbie Smith writes about this here. That HIV is known to have existed in the human population that early utterly destroys conspiracists' "biological weapon" claims.
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Post by BertL on Nov 15, 2008 20:10:09 GMT -4
I'm sure the conspiracy theory can just be modified a bit to something along the lines of "The CIA invented it in the 50s".
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Post by PhantomWolf on Nov 16, 2008 23:47:47 GMT -4
I'm sure the conspiracy theory can just be modified a bit to something along the lines of "The CIA invented it in the 50s". Still wouldn't work, the DNA analysis shows it entered the Human population in about 1908.
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Post by gillianren on Nov 17, 2008 2:02:50 GMT -4
Are you trying to say the CIA didn't create it forty years before the CIA existed as an entity? Pshaw!
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Post by BertL on Nov 17, 2008 2:41:10 GMT -4
Are you trying to say the CIA didn't create it forty years before the CIA existed as an entity? Pshaw! Obviously you people haven't heard of time travel.
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Post by ineluki on Nov 17, 2008 11:24:35 GMT -4
Obviously you people haven't heard of time travel. Which must be a real possibilty because there are books about it :-)
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Post by BertL on Nov 17, 2008 13:02:24 GMT -4
Books? No, that's not what I meant. It's all over the internet and YouTube, though.
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Post by drewid on Jun 6, 2009 6:26:54 GMT -4
What a fantastic quote
"should remind the moderator that bullying is not allowed on the forum. Repeated taunts and insistence on answering questions is bullying."
Jack " (My emphasis)
It's almost as good as 'Straydog02' saying "Anyone with half a brain can see it was a hoax" Ah - That explains a lot, I hadn't realised that was a qualification.
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