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Post by tofu on Aug 12, 2008 9:25:21 GMT -4
Okay, how do you explain this? The cross hairs should always be in front of all objestc but in this picture it is clearly behind that piece of equipment. The only way this could have happened is if the pictures had been tampered with. This is one of my favorite HB claims. They are basically saying that the reason the fiducials appear to go behind objects is that someone at NASA cut out a picture of an astronaut and glued it onto a background shot of the moon - then forgot (or was too lazy) to use a pen to draw the fiducials on top of the astronaut. So here's the HB's awesome theory: you have billions and billions of dollars to create the greatest hoax in all of human history. Do you, A: not use fiducials (or simply add them as the last step so they are on top of everything). Or do you, B: go down to walmart and buy a pair of scissors and a bottle of glue, and spend your evenings cutting out astronauts, and gluing them to lunar scenes. Exhibit A: the smoking gun used to perpetrate the Apollo Hoax
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Post by tofu on Aug 12, 2008 9:33:06 GMT -4
Here's a youtube gem that I posted about in another thread. Someone asked if planet X was real and if the world was going to end in 2012. Someone responded that yes, it was real, and that he had done "research" on youtube to convince him that it was real. How can we know if planet x exist or not?So, Objective -> become educated. Plan -> watch YouTube videos. Result -> I now believe the world will end in 2012 I'd call that failure.
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Post by Count Zero on Aug 12, 2008 9:53:16 GMT -4
Since it's tied to the Mayan calender/2012 thing, does that make it an epoch failure?
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Post by tofu on Aug 12, 2008 10:38:49 GMT -4
oohhh
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Post by laurel on Aug 12, 2008 22:34:17 GMT -4
Someone on another forum who had adamantly said that the Moon landings were faked (because of a waving flag, no less) said in their next message, "I don't watch moon stuff so I can't speak for the other side."
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 12, 2008 23:05:48 GMT -4
Someone on another forum who had adamantly said that the Moon landings were faked (because of a waving flag, no less) said in their next message, "I don't watch moon stuff so I can't speak for the other side." Well, too much information will block neurons... I've also heard stuff like, "I hate country (or jazz/classical/disco) music. But I haven't really listened to it."
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Post by nomuse on Aug 13, 2008 3:49:35 GMT -4
It reminds me of bad serial fiction villains, who come up with the most long-winded, roundabout, backwards, complicated, sure-to-fail scheme instead of doing something direct and sensible. The Apollo Hoax the H.B.'s describe is like that; where-ever there is a simple, obvious, tradition-tested way to do something, the hoax will instead figure out a way to do it that takes longer, is more difficult, and is more likely to be discovered.
And yet somehow, despite acting in a way that would have Shaun Evil gunning down every one of them in frustration, they manage to carry off this incredibly complex hoax without anyone of the billions of people following it raptly at the time noticing. Naw...it's only a couple of bored drop-outs with access to YouTube that manage to notice the incredibly obvious, shocking, flaws.
The stupid, it makes me want to spit.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 13, 2008 18:54:45 GMT -4
What movie was it that James Earl Jones provided a quote that also fits this situation?
I'm going to be sick!
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Post by laurel on Aug 13, 2008 20:14:51 GMT -4
Now the people I've been talking to seem to think it was only Apollo 11 that was faked. Why all the arbitrary focus on 11? Blurry black-and-white video? Neil Armstrong allegedly being reclusive? Or is it just that people have heard more about 11 because it was the first landing?
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Post by Data Cable on Aug 14, 2008 4:56:53 GMT -4
It reminds me of bad serial fiction villains, who come up with the most long-winded, roundabout, backwards, complicated, sure-to-fail scheme instead of doing something direct and sensible. "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to use glint-free carbon coated wires to suspend your fake astronauts!" ;D
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 14, 2008 5:25:39 GMT -4
Now the people I've been talking to seem to think it was only Apollo 11 that was faked. Why all the arbitrary focus on 11? Blurry black-and-white video? Neil Armstrong allegedly being reclusive? Or is it just that people have heard more about 11 because it was the first landing? If it's the TV quality, get them to compare it to the quality from Apollo 7 and 8, it might suprise them. (note that 7 was only from Earth orbit!)
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Post by tedward on Aug 14, 2008 9:18:33 GMT -4
Not forgetting the bit about having someone there (thus proving the studio) to film the first step. I mean, drop down camera's! Whatever next?
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Post by BertL on Aug 14, 2008 10:01:34 GMT -4
I've also heard stuff like, "I hate country (or jazz/classical/disco) music. But I haven't really listened to it." Oh, I feel your pain here. I used to think that I didn't like oldies, but then when I started listening to it I started loving it. I have grown a severe dislike for prejudism.
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Post by Kiwi on Aug 14, 2008 10:55:14 GMT -4
Now the people I've been talking to seem to think it was only Apollo 11 that was faked. Why all the arbitrary focus on 11? Blurry black-and-white video? Neil Armstrong allegedly being reclusive? Or is it just that people have heard more about 11 because it was the first landing? Perhaps this is explained by the briefest debate I ever had with a hoax-believer: HB: I reckon the moonlanding was faked. Kiwi: Which moonlanding? HB: The moonlanding! Kiwi: Which one? Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, or 17? HB: Ummm... I didn't know there were that many.
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Post by Ginnie on Aug 14, 2008 13:48:16 GMT -4
Now the people I've been talking to seem to think it was only Apollo 11 that was faked. Why all the arbitrary focus on 11? Blurry black-and-white video? Neil Armstrong allegedly being reclusive? Or is it just that people have heard more about 11 because it was the first landing? Perhaps this is explained by the briefest debate I ever had with a hoax-believer: HB: I reckon the moonlanding was faked. Kiwi: Which moonlanding? HB: The moonlanding! Kiwi: Which one? Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, or 17? HB: Ummm... I didn't know there were that many. For real? That is so funny.
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