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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Aug 7, 2008 3:07:54 GMT -4
waterpoweredcar.com/Okay, this one makes me grit my teeth every time it's mentioned, so have at it. Simple math, basic chemistry, crap even I can understand. And yet, so many people are falling into the trap, like this: www.fordification.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34160Why can't people understand that you have to climb a mountain to fall down the mountain? What, besides wishful thinking, sustains this? Should I try to make money one it while the getting is good? If it works so great, why does quantification not matter? Engines are tightly metered equipment (I'm dealing with the effects of a different cam on my F100, having to replace the power-valve on the carb with a lower vacuum unit - really subtle, but massive changes in the power curve) and yet people are slapping random amounts of electricity into random conductivity water, and feeding random amounts of "Brown's Gas" into the combustion stream.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 7, 2008 5:22:24 GMT -4
Wellwhile I haven't looked deeply into it, the Japanese water powered car uses a fuel cell of some sort from what it sounded like on the article I saw.
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Post by echnaton on Aug 7, 2008 9:21:50 GMT -4
From the site. waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.htmlUh Oh! They bring up Telsa right off the bat. Not a good sign. Was mysteriously murdered when on the verge of putting his invention to good use. Of course it doesn't really claim murder, but is implied because one doesn't die from normal food poisoning. when leaving the restaurant. I wonder what the patent numbers are? If there was a patent on a workable system, the technology would be in public view, so why kill him? Reading this is enough for me.
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Post by gillianren on Aug 7, 2008 16:29:05 GMT -4
Sharks took his equipment?
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 7, 2008 21:40:02 GMT -4
And who is this "Arab Oil Corps"?
The closest I get to this are groups called National Oil Corporation and Arab Petroleum Investments Corporation.
Guess these guys have to make up names to make something sound big and scary.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 7, 2008 21:41:47 GMT -4
Sharks took his equipment? Guess Spielberg or Peter Benchley (the year given in the article is 1998) must have been in on it. Or maybe Dr. Eric Ritter was involved....
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 7, 2008 21:43:28 GMT -4
Wellwhile I haven't looked deeply into it, the Japanese water powered car uses a fuel cell of some sort from what it sounded like on the article I saw. Wouldn't that technically mean that this is a hydrogen fueled car, given that water is a waste product of a fuel cell, and that the water must be broken down to be used as a fuel?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 8, 2008 2:48:32 GMT -4
Wellwhile I haven't looked deeply into it, the Japanese water powered car uses a fuel cell of some sort from what it sounded like on the article I saw. Wouldn't that technically mean that this is a hydrogen fueled car, given that water is a waste product of a fuel cell, and that the water must be broken down to be used as a fuel? Not sure, it may use some sort of catalyst to split the water, all they really said was that they has an electric cell in the car that operated by pouring water into it. I do admit that I haven't looked very deeply into it so I could be totally barking up the wrong tree, it just that is the impression I got. On a similar view, did anyone note that the first commercial Fuel Cell car, the Honda FCX Clarity, has been released?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 8, 2008 2:54:06 GMT -4
Okay looked up a little more, it is a fuel cell car (the Japanese Genepax car.) They have developed a way of running a reverse furl cell, one that creates electricity by breaking the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen instead of putting them together. One has to wonder if you can put their system togther with a convential cell and get electricty from both breaking it apart and then putting it together again. Somehow I think there has to be a law of thermondynamics in there somewhere....
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Post by gillianren on Aug 8, 2008 3:47:26 GMT -4
Sharks took his equipment? Guess Spielberg or Peter Benchley (the year given in the article is 1998) must have been in on it. Or maybe Dr. Eric Ritter was involved.... Well, upon further reflection, it makes sense--after all, it's water-based technology. Who should steal it, tigers?
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Post by Data Cable on Aug 8, 2008 4:01:54 GMT -4
Sharks took his equipment? With frickin' "lasers" on their heads!
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 8, 2008 7:59:37 GMT -4
Okay looked up a little more, it is a fuel cell car (the Japanese Genepax car.) They have developed a way of running a reverse fuel cell, one that creates electricity by breaking the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen instead of putting them together. One has to wonder if you can put their system togther with a convential cell and get electricty from both breaking it apart and then putting it together again. Somehow I think there has to be a law of thermondynamics in there somewhere.... I didn't know it was possible to make electricity by breaking down water. What comes to my mind is that maybe one could use a regular cell to break down water, then supply the gases to a fuel cell that runs the car as well as recharge the regular cell. I'm just guessing at this. I have to wonder if the secret of this will be revealed. Inquiring minds want to know!
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Post by Grand Lunar on Aug 8, 2008 8:00:22 GMT -4
Guess Spielberg or Peter Benchley (the year given in the article is 1998) must have been in on it. Or maybe Dr. Eric Ritter was involved.... Well, upon further reflection, it makes sense--after all, it's water-based technology. Who should steal it, tigers? Maybe bulls, since they also are in fresh water.
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Post by LunarOrbit on Aug 8, 2008 12:16:28 GMT -4
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 8, 2008 17:23:35 GMT -4
Okay looked up a little more, it is a fuel cell car (the Japanese Genepax car.) They have developed a way of running a reverse fuel cell, one that creates electricity by breaking the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen instead of putting them together. One has to wonder if you can put their system togther with a convential cell and get electricty from both breaking it apart and then putting it together again. Somehow I think there has to be a law of thermondynamics in there somewhere.... I didn't know it was possible to make electricity by breaking down water. What comes to my mind is that maybe one could use a regular cell to break down water, then supply the gases to a fuel cell that runs the car as well as recharge the regular cell. I'm just guessing at this. I have to wonder if the secret of this will be revealed. Inquiring minds want to know! I guess that it is a company secrect the exact how, but they say that it's a chemical reaction using a membrane cell, whatever that means. I'm guessing that somehow the membrane separates the Oxygen and Hydrogen producing two H+ and one O2- ions which then create a protential between the terminals that by moving the 2 electrons from the O2- through a curcuit to the H+ you then get H2 and O2 gas plus a current. The question is how the membrance separates the molecule without violating Thermondynamics laws because if this works as stated, I suspect that in theory you could run the gases to a convential cell, reunite them to produce a current and water, the recycle the water and go around again, but that then creates energy out of nothing, which should be impossible.
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