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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 18, 2008 19:07:05 GMT -4
Perhaps because the media has this thing about protecting their sources?
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Post by Jason on Sept 18, 2008 22:19:14 GMT -4
The Secret Service just asked for copies of e-mails which had been "circulated widely on the internet" - the didn't ask the AP to reveal any sources.
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Post by Ginnie on Sept 19, 2008 12:22:43 GMT -4
Well, if they were widely circulated on the Internet, why do they need them from the journalist?
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Post by Jason on Sept 19, 2008 13:15:46 GMT -4
Well, if they were widely circulated on the Internet, why do they need them from the journalist? I don't know, but if everyone already has them then it seems petty to refuse to provide it, doesn't it?
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 19, 2008 17:33:14 GMT -4
Depends, if they want the originals rather than the text, then by using the headers they can track where they came from and that would be the equivalent of revealing a source.
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Post by stutefish on Sept 19, 2008 18:45:14 GMT -4
Firstly, the press is not entitled to protect its sources: It's a pragmatic policy the press has voluntarily adopted by convention, in order to elicit useful information from reticent individuals.
Secondly, the press is absolutely not entitled to cover up knowledge of a crime, or become accessories to criminal acts, or otherwise aid and abet a criminal, simply because they are "reporting" a "story".
There are nuances and complexities, and each case is different, but it's not like should get a free pass just because it's "the press". If they have evidence that can identify a criminal, they quite properly run the risk of legal action and even criminal conviction and penalties. Going to the press with the details of your crime should never be a "get out of jail free" card--not even literally.
Personally, if a reporter is willing to go to jail to protect his sources, or to uphold his perception of the human right to speech free of government tyranny, he has my respect. But if he wants to remain free while abetting criminals, that's having his cake and eating it too, and he has nothing but my scorn.
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Post by Jason on Sept 22, 2008 18:31:49 GMT -4
This one's a bit wierd. The Washington Post writes an article criticizing the McCain campaign for running an ad that criticized Barack Obama for his ties to Franklin Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae by saying he relies on Raines "for advice on mortage an housing poilcy." So, basically, The Washington Post is saying that the McCain ad is flimsy because it is based on reporting from... The Washington Post.
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Post by Jason on Oct 29, 2008 13:37:12 GMT -4
A few more examples. In 2003 Rashid Khalidi, a PLO spokesman/advisor turned Ivy League professor had a farewell party sponsered by the Arab American Action Netwrok. Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohm were all in attendance. L.A. Times reporter Peter Wallsten did a report on the party in April that revealed that "the event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times." The L.A. Times refuses to release the tape, but has no problem embeddinga video clip of Sarah Palin's 1984 swimsuit pageant on its blog.
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Post by Jason on Oct 29, 2008 18:35:54 GMT -4
Or how about these questions asked by KSDK-TV to President Obama:
Whew, those are some tough questions all right.
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Post by archer17 on Oct 30, 2008 0:53:54 GMT -4
Here's the thing Jason, all Obama has to say is he'll do things differently and he'll win. It, thanks to the incumbent, is all that's needed. Heck, if Kerry wasn't so darn lame the Dems would have had a one-term back in 2004. Obama is more style than substance IMO and worries me about his true qualifications but he talks the talk. McCain doesn't. The "walk the walk, unfortunately, only can be qualified after Election Day (I do hope I'm pleasantly surprised). I do agree that some media (mainly television and same rags) are baised to the Donkeys, but talk-radio is biased to the Elephants. That isn't what'll make a difference though, it's what people feel. If you support McCain you have to admit it's kinda hard to get that "feeling," know what I mean?
He's toast.
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Post by lionking on Oct 30, 2008 5:24:24 GMT -4
unfortunately, media gets biased all over the world. Lebanon is among the countries were media is at many parts paid by politcians and would show and hide whatever they want. It gets one enthusiastic to read the newspapers of the opposition and the government-related and how they speak about the same incident. Funny also is the images they put. If it is the opposition newspaper, it would choose an ugly image of a 14 March bloc representative.. To know the truth in this country, one should definitely read all the newspapers and listen to all channels news. You should start from 7:00 p.m with the TV of the Head of Parliament, NBN, then move to NTV, not paid for but very much associated with the opposition, then LBC, the most "objective' pro-government channel, then to Future TV, paid by and sponsored by the head of the future movement bloc andstrongly pro-government.. There is even lawsuits from government figures against many newspapers who spoke badly about them without any proof. The situation of the media in Lebanon would be interesing to have a study about.. Lebanon in this year ranked the second in the ME to Kuwait in freedom of speach.. in regards to the assassinations done against pro-governmental figures, like May Shidiak who lost a handadn a leg , and Jobran Tueini and Samir Kassir who lost their lives.. here is an example of how the news get distorted by different newspapers www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&AD65C37AE1AAB400C22574F20016D746
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Post by lionking on Oct 30, 2008 8:49:07 GMT -4
middleeasttransparent.com/article.php3?id_article=4741fortunately, there is another observation today of media distortion, this time about photos. check the photo above the article which is faked and compare it to the photo at the end of the article. The faked photo was posted by the opposition newspaper to show the intimacy in the reconciliation between the two leaders .. Actually if I am going to site media bias and distortions, they will be too numerous to count, but these are few examples
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Post by Jason on Oct 30, 2008 11:58:45 GMT -4
I do agree that some media (mainly television and same rags) are baised to the Donkeys, but talk-radio is biased to the Elephants. That isn't what'll make a difference though, it's what people feel. If you support McCain you have to admit it's kinda hard to get that "feeling," know what I mean? He's toast. McCain is feeling rather Bob Dole-ish, but I have hope that America may still chose the lesser of two evils next week. If all we had to face was an economic depression deepened by Obama's cluelessness and "share the wealth" attitude I wouldn't be as worried. What does worry me is big expensive entitlements he might give that will be almost impossible to take back once they're in place, liberal over-reaching supreme court justices he will appoint that we'll be stuck with long after he's gone, and the foreign policy mistakes he may make. Sure talk-radio is dominated by elephants, but they generally wear their biases on their sleeves, and aren't claiming to be unbiased news sources like the TV and newpaper Donkeys are.
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Post by Apollo Gnomon on Oct 30, 2008 12:15:13 GMT -4
, but I have hope that America may still chose the lesser of two evils next week.
Both sides feel this way. Isn't that a sad state of affairs?
Bottom line for me,
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Post by gillianren on Oct 30, 2008 12:20:09 GMT -4
I don't feel I'm choosing between the lesser of two evils. Then again, I don't think John McCain is or will be evil. Sadly misguided and dangerous, but he will genuinely try to benefit the country. He's just wrong about what will do that.
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