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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 12, 2008 21:28:06 GMT -4
CBB, do you have an education in acoustics?
Have you plotted the courses of the planes in relation to how their sound waves would propigate at the speeds they were going, as well as taking into account how the sound waves would be effected by the surround buildings?
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Post by gillianren on Sept 12, 2008 21:38:50 GMT -4
I was watching The History Channel yesterday, and they included an interview with at least one person who heard the second plane. This was preparatory to showing a picture the person had taken that also showed the first plane. Really, this is one of the stupidest arguments out there. It denies astonishing amounts of evidence.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Sept 12, 2008 21:47:06 GMT -4
I can't believe what I'm missing without the real educational channels!
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Post by scooter on Sept 12, 2008 22:21:29 GMT -4
Alaskan magnetometers went BONKERS with every 9/11 "event", including the planes-shaped holes appearing in the towers. HAARP was involved. No one in New York reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners hitting the towers at full throttle. In 1999, the Washington Post reported on the military's psychological operation hologram project. See here for source information for everything in this comment: 9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=60 I looked at your linked website, and the graphs. I don't understand them.What are the values, the measurements. I can't make them out, except for some sort of spike. I cannot tell the time frames or the causes...are these rems, gieger measurements, I don't understand what these graphs say, except some type of increase in something, of an undefined amount... Please explain...maybe it's air temperature...
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Post by gillianren on Sept 13, 2008 0:12:12 GMT -4
Wait a minute. Isn't there a whole other breed of wackadoo argument that gets all huffy because the holes weren't plane-shaped?
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Post by jaydeehess on Sept 13, 2008 0:24:34 GMT -4
Alaskan magnetometers went BONKERS with every 9/11 "event", including the planes-shaped holes appearing in the towers. HAARP was involved. No one in New York reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners hitting the towers at full throttle. In 1999, the Washington Post reported on the military's psychological operation hologram project. See here for source information for everything in this comment: 9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=60 I looked at your linked website, and the graphs. I don't understand them.What are the values, the measurements. I can't make them out, except for some sort of spike. I cannot tell the time frames or the causes...are these rems, gieger measurements, I don't understand what these graphs say, except some type of increase in something, of an undefined amount... Please explain...maybe it's air temperature... What's happening in Tromso?? geo.phys.uit.no/cgi-bin/realselect.cgi?site=lyb&this=Get+Datathis chart , when I found it, showed a large variation occuring between 2200 Sept 9 and 0100 Sept 10 UCT This year!
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Post by grashtel on Sept 13, 2008 3:24:44 GMT -4
Wait a minute. Isn't there a whole other breed of wackadoo argument that gets all huffy because the holes weren't plane-shaped? Isn't that more about the Pentagon than the Towers? IIRC the holes in the towers were pretty much plane shaped.
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Post by Ian Pearse on Sept 13, 2008 4:19:27 GMT -4
Alaskan magnetometers went BONKERS with every 9/11 "event", including the planes-shaped holes appearing in the towers. HAARP was involved. And what about magnetometers elsewhere? Please show charts from magnetometers in other parts of the country (if the influence could be felt in Alaska, it must have been felt elsewhere too) and show us the corresponding peaks at exactly the same times and apropriate strengths.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 13, 2008 5:13:41 GMT -4
No one in New York reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners hitting the towers at full throttle. You know I find this really funny cayse I watched MSNBC yesterday cause they had "As it happened" on. After the first plane had hit and they were trying to figure out what had happened, they were talking to a caller who stated that she "Heard the roar of a jet engine and looked up to see a plane hit the WTC." At the time of the second plane hitting they were talking to a second woman who said something like, "Oh my god, a huge plane just flew over my building and hit as well." Yeah, no one reported that, except those that did live on TV.
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Post by gwiz on Sept 13, 2008 12:48:52 GMT -4
No one in New York reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners hitting the towers at full throttle. Oh really?The whining noise of the plane became defeaning as it sped by. I arrived at my dining room window just in time to see the plane smash into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. I cannot explain my horror in seeing the fireball, in hearing the explosion, in feeling the ground shake and my building sway beneath my feet.
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Post by Ginnie on Sept 13, 2008 14:10:40 GMT -4
Okay, enough nonsense. Alright? Fun is fun, but this isn't really a funny subject.
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Post by Data Cable on Sept 13, 2008 14:34:25 GMT -4
This is a lot of attention to focus on a seagulling troll.
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Post by tedward on Sept 13, 2008 15:19:56 GMT -4
This is a lot of attention to focus on a seagulling troll. Ditto. There are a lot of un answered questions on the other one. (thread that is)
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Post by cbbrooklyn on Sept 13, 2008 21:54:17 GMT -4
CBB, do you have an education in acoustics? Have you plotted the courses of the planes in relation to how their sound waves would propigate at the speeds they were going, as well as taking into account how the sound waves would be effected by the surround buildings? Nope, only a degree in common sense. Check the youtube links.. Smoking Gun: There are no witness reports of hearing damage. No witnesses reported the deafening sound of wide-body commercial airliners at full throttle hitting the Twin Towers. From this analysis of WTC Task Force Interviews we learn that the sounds reported by First Responders were inconsistent with what one would expect. Commercial airliners are LOUD! Here’s a few witness accounts (source information in “Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths”): • Stephen Gregory, Assistant Commissioner, Bureau of CommunicationsQ. Where were you when the second plane hit? A. We were down at the command post between Liberty and Albany on the west side of West Street. …
Q. Did you see or hear the second plane before it hit the World Trade Center?
A. I never actually saw the plane, but l heard it. You could hear it coming in and then we heard the explosion and you could hear the roar of the plane coming in. At first I didn't realize it was a plane. I thought it was like the roar of fire, like something had just incinerated, like a gas tank or an oil tank. It sounded like a tremendous roar and then you heard boom and then there was a big fire, a lot of fire, a big fireball. I never actually saw a plane hit the building. I never saw that. I saw it on television, but I never saw it while I was standing there.• Gary Smiley, FDNY paramedic, was carrying an injured woman across Church Street who kept yelling "plane" and Smiley recalled, "I looked up at that point, and that's when the second plane hit the South Tower. The explosion was unbelievable. It was right over my head. You didn't hear anything. People ask me sometimes, 'What did you hear?' I heard nothing." • Steven Bienkowski, NYPD Harbor Unit Scuba Team: "I happened to be sitting in the back left side of the (helicopter) ship. … We were on the southwest side of the South Tower, and I glanced over my shoulder and there came a United Airlines aircraft right at us, a little bit underneath where we were. And I do mean a little bit underneath us. It probably missed us by about three hundred feet, and it proceeded to fly right through the building, right in front of us. …. I don't remember hearing an explosion, although it must have been extremely loud. … When that second plane went into the building, it just looked like an evil magician's trick. It looked nothing like what I would have imagined a plane crashing into a building would look like. The plane just completely disappeared and turned into a giant fireball. Being there was surreal."
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Post by cbbrooklyn on Sept 13, 2008 21:55:48 GMT -4
I was watching The History Channel yesterday, and they included an interview with at least one person who heard the second plane. This was preparatory to showing a picture the person had taken that also showed the first plane. Really, this is one of the stupidest arguments out there. It denies astonishing amounts of evidence. Did you get the name/address of the person's doctor? I'd like to see the reports on hearing-repair.
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