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Post by tedward on Jul 19, 2010 6:32:56 GMT -4
Just to add for the call for evidence that the flu jab is a killer as described by DH.
I am not dead yet. There is a case where one unfortunate young lady passed away after a jab but was found to have an undiagnosed condition at the autopsy.
I have the jab every year, every year I am asked to wait for a while in case there are any immediate after effects that are unsavory. Every year there are a few deaths attributed to the jab, but not the global mass killer being ascribed here, far from it. There are benefits.
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Post by echnaton on Jul 19, 2010 9:43:46 GMT -4
Another anecdote. My wife is somewhat needle-phobic. One year she skipped getting herself and our kids vaccinated for the flu while I got my dose. Of course one by one she and the kids came down with the flu, suffering the requisite few days of extreme regret about not getting the shot. My case was very mild, more like a light cold as far as discomfort. Every year after that I have taken the kids for flu shots. We usually get them at the grocery store pharmacy after school.
Sure there is Tamiflu, that really helps when you catch the flu. But to do much good it requires you run to the doctor at the first signs of a fever, to be tested for the flu. It's a real pain, particularity if they start showing symptoms on Friday because the pediatricians office is closed on the weekend.
Nothing is without risk, but it is up to each of us to assess the risk individually. Each of us is certainly free to make that decision for vaccines, but spreading misinformation is not honest.
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Post by Jason on Jul 19, 2010 13:07:48 GMT -4
(Are you not aware that, whatever Christian faith you come from, it's an offshoot of Catholicism if you go far back enough? Unless you're of an Orthodox faith, where I basically consider it mitosis.) This is not quite correct. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the Mormons) is not a Protestant faith, but a Restoration movement faith, and not ultimately an off shoot of Catholicism. Nor is it an Orthodox faith (in the sense you meant). Of course, it also has its own offshoots. It is a Christian faith, however.
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Post by Jason on Jul 19, 2010 13:13:27 GMT -4
I think I probably already said it on this thread, but my position is that President Obama is in fact a Christian and was in fact born in the U.S. None of that makes him a good president, of course.
If you want to criticize him, he has provided plenty of real ammunition to do so. There is no need for crackpot theories.
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Post by archer17 on Jul 19, 2010 13:18:45 GMT -4
The primary reason for my off-topic gibe to DH a few posts back was to point out that her prior fear mongering predictions didn't come to fruition. Many times I've seen the propagators of doom and gloom make claims and when the dire event doesn't come to pass and their thread sinks into the dustbin of hokum it's like it never happened and they just start anew with another round of garbage. I have no intention of giving woos a statute of limitations.
The birth certificate dead horse she tried to resurrect here was a non-issue with all but the most rabid Obama-bashers from the start and there is no evidence that this administration takes it's orders from Nairobi (for the 'he was born in Kenya" crowd) or has a agenda that somehow drips 'Muslim' on everything. I've cut Obama some slack on some things considering what he inherited, but I'm not too impressed with him. That, however, doesn't mean I have to jump on asinine bandwagons that have him in office illegally or dancing to the Koran.
The flu pandemic never happened despite DH's earlier spiel. Ditto with the forced inoculations and FEMA camps. We are told the FEMA camps are ready and given an open-ended time-frame for their use although it appears there is no consensus among the paranoid/conspiracy crowd as to who will ultimately populate those "prisons." I guess it'll depend on what's "fashionable" at the particular time.
The bull crap involving vaccinations continue although it's obvious that DeadHoosiers can't provide any real data supporting her claim this side of PrisonPlanet so don't hold your breath waiting for her to tell you something that's actually credible.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 19, 2010 13:21:56 GMT -4
Oh--let me add to my earlier discussion of how Catholicism doesn't even approach being the most violent religion an invitation to read The Wordy Shipmates, by Sarah Vowell. I keep forgetting to mention it, despite the fact that it's an excellent, funny, relevant read by one of my favourite authors. It talks a lot about the horrors inflicted by the settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony on the natives, and they were assuredly not Catholic. Any of 'em, so it's not like Northern Ireland, where Catholics and Protestants are equally at fault, but where some ideologue can say one side is acting in self-defense. (My feelings about The Troubles being beside the point.) The fact is, the Colonists slaughtered the natives, because they believed God gave them dominion over the land, and the people already there didn't want them to have it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 19, 2010 16:34:28 GMT -4
Oh--let me add to my earlier discussion of how Catholicism doesn't even approach being the most violent religion an invitation to read The Wordy Shipmates, by Sarah Vowell. I keep forgetting to mention it, despite the fact that it's an excellent, funny, relevant read by one of my favourite authors. It talks a lot about the horrors inflicted by the settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony on the natives, and they were assuredly not Catholic. Any of 'em, so it's not like Northern Ireland, where Catholics and Protestants are equally at fault, but where some ideologue can say one side is acting in self-defense. (My feelings about The Troubles being beside the point.) The fact is, the Colonists slaughtered the natives, because they believed God gave them dominion over the land, and the people already there didn't want them to have it. Well you know, if you want to compare native people oppression from religionous nutballs, have a talk to the Incas....
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Post by gillianren on Jul 19, 2010 18:19:40 GMT -4
Yes, but we're talking burning a village to the ground in a way which prevented the women and children from escaping even though they knew they were attacking the wrong people. And then laughing about it.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 19, 2010 18:36:00 GMT -4
Yes, but we're talking burning a village to the ground in a way which prevented the women and children from escaping even though they knew they were attacking the wrong people. And then laughing about it. True, so much nicer to just exterminate an entire race by garotting those that accepted your religion, and burning to death those that didn't.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 19, 2010 21:21:15 GMT -4
And this is different from the behaviour in Massachusetts how? After all, there are still a lot more people of Inca ancestry than of Pequot.
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Post by gillianren on Jul 19, 2010 23:45:12 GMT -4
Oh, let me add one thing. I'm certainly not nominating the conquistadores for any humanitarian awards, here. I'm saying that no person with a reasonable understanding of the history of the era would say that the Catholics as a whole were worse than the Protestants as a whole. To say so would be to deny the evidence and would be as foolish as, oh, saying that there's evidence that Islam comes out of just Roman Catholicism instead of a blend of the Pagan religions of the era and certain Judeochristian structures.
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Post by tedward on Jul 20, 2010 6:36:24 GMT -4
Well, we had a civil war, sort of over what side you were on. But we did not have the inquisition (insert ubiquitous monty python image/sketch here). Rome through Europe spent many years trying to get us back, Henry might have been a tyrant of sorts but I think he did the right thing. Well, wrong thing considering the results for those around him but the long term for the UK if you see what I mean. But the inquisition was prevented in spreading to some extent by this split, at least from my understanding.
That is not to say the route that the UK started was any better when we met other cultures.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jul 20, 2010 8:28:23 GMT -4
And this is different from the behaviour in Massachusetts how? After all, there are still a lot more people of Inca ancestry than of Pequot. Oh no, I was agreeing with you because it's clear that killing 1,500 people (about 50% the population) is by far worse than killing 15 million people. (94% of the population)
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Post by PeterB on Jul 20, 2010 9:12:19 GMT -4
True Christianity began at Pentecost and flourished for 3 centuries before the Roman Catholic religion came into existence. The Roman Catholic church wasn't invented by Constantine. The church's hierarchy had developed in the centuries before. There were certainly bishops and deacons well before Constantine. It wasn't just Catholics who indulged in massacres of Christians. Arian and Orthodox Christians did so too. I'd be fascinated to see the evidence for this claim. Keep in mind that when Mohammed was receiving his messages, the Roman Empire was fighting a desperate war of survival against the Zoroastrian Sassanid Persian kingdom. One of the main weapons employed by the Roman Emperor Heraklios was Christianity - his army's campaigns against the Fire Worshippers constitute the first real Crusade. The problem was that the Empire emerged from the Persian War so weak it was barely able to hold off the armies of the Islamic Caliphate. What would the Pope and the Catholic church have gained from being conquered by the Caliphate?
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Post by Dead Hoosiers on Jul 20, 2010 13:04:39 GMT -4
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