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Post by Data Cable on Dec 27, 2008 3:32:08 GMT -4
BTW, according to the HBs on YT, Rene passed away not long ago. I haven't seen anything online about it, oddly enough. Maybe they know about it since they killed him because he was about to reveal the truth about the hoax.
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Post by laurel on Dec 27, 2008 12:41:41 GMT -4
Well, if I were dead I wouldn't necessarily post that on Clavius. I know. I just meant that people often have someone help them maintain their official site and that someone like that might post an announcement in an event of Rene's death.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 29, 2008 14:15:31 GMT -4
BTW, according to the HBs on YT, Rene passed away not long ago. I haven't seen anything online about it, oddly enough. Mebbe they've confused him with Bill Kaysing (1922-2005). From far enough off, all your prophets look the same. Fred
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 29, 2008 16:39:46 GMT -4
Well, if I were dead I wouldn't necessarily post that on Clavius. Ah, but I bet you could make it that way with some programming. Sort of like "Emergency Program One" like the Doctor has.
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Post by JayUtah on Dec 30, 2008 12:53:57 GMT -4
The classic way of doing that is a dead-man's switch -- something I have to tickle every day to prevent the site from declaring me dead.
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Post by frenat on Dec 30, 2008 13:04:37 GMT -4
Every day might be too sensitive. What if your internet connection goes down for a day? Perhaps every month would be good.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Dec 31, 2008 8:58:15 GMT -4
The classic way of doing that is a dead-man's switch -- something I have to tickle every day to prevent the site from declaring me dead. I read of a similar thing in the novel "2001"; Frank and Dave each had to advance the Master Hibernation time 12 hours. If the task was missed twice in one day, Hal would assume they were both incapacitated.
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 3, 2009 18:50:35 GMT -4
I remember that from the novel too. In the film HAL seemed to have more anthropomorphic senses and would presumably have been able to see the crew moving about their normal duties.
Control software for spacecraft commonly employs just such a switch. A portion of the software must reset a hardware counter periodically. If the counter reaches a preset value without being reset, it bonks the computer's hardware reset/restart pulse. This has the effect of restarting the computer and hopefully bringing it to a known state if the software should become unresponsive.
The problem is when you have redundant systems configured for failover. If you have two computers, one of which is operating and the other is in failover-standby, the standby's job is to poll the active system periodically. A sequence of unsuccessful polls triggers the standby to assume control. However, before assuming control it must ensure that the other system is not also issuing commands but failing to poll, so it executes a non-maskable shutdown of the allegedly failed system.
So to carry that analogy to the extreme here, the software -- if it suspected I was no longer alive -- would logically have to succeed in killing me to ensure that its report wasn't premature.
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Post by Data Cable on Jan 3, 2009 21:04:06 GMT -4
So to carry that analogy to the extreme here, the software -- if it suspected I was no longer alive -- would logically have to succeed in killing me to ensure that its report wasn't premature. Thus, completing the cycle back to HAL.
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Post by ineluki on Jan 7, 2009 10:32:02 GMT -4
It's interesting that Ralph Rene says on his website: "I also found." Translation: I also invented the claim that...
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 7, 2009 12:43:43 GMT -4
It's interesting that Ralph Rene says on his website: "I also found." Translation: I also invented the claim that... Also translates as: "I also dreamt up this claim while under the influence..." And "I also thought of this claim to make more sales..."
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Post by JayUtah on Jan 7, 2009 15:26:36 GMT -4
I don't know anything about Rene's use of potentially intoxicating substances. However, he has indeed claimed that he is the originator of the Moon hoax claims, and that later authors such as Sibrel and David Percy have stolen his material and are making commercial use of it without acknowledging him. He resents that they seem to have been more successful at it than he has. Whether any of that is true, it is the reason Rene never agreed to appear on any television program on which some of the other conspiracy theorists were to be represented.
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Post by laurel on Jan 7, 2009 16:40:15 GMT -4
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Post by raven on Jan 7, 2009 16:55:57 GMT -4
If he is dead, at least they aren't saying he was killed by NASA death squads. Oops, don't want to give them ideas.
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Post by Grand Lunar on Jan 7, 2009 19:04:45 GMT -4
Well, now that you've written it Raven, a few HBs are likely to invent that idea, just as they did with Kaysing.
I got a better idea; Rene isn't dead. He just went back to his home planet.
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